Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug <Doug@gorean.org> To: David Greenman <dg@root.com> Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>, Joao Carlos <jcarlos@bahianet.com.br>, hitech@bahianet.com.br, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Out of mbuf clusters Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909201635380.7669-100000@dt014nb6.san.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <199909202133.OAA05349@implode.root.com>
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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, David Greenman wrote:
> >> If all of core insisted that Joe User had to know about internals
> >> to use FreeBSD as a server, FreeBSD would be little more than a hobbyist
> >> OS,
> >
> > But -core has stated explicitly that freebsd IS a hobbyist OS. I
> >believe Jordan's exact words were that, "FreeBSD is a vanity OS by and for
> >the developers." The fact that it's also useful for doing productive
> >things is purely an accident, resulting from the fact that the hobbyists
> >involved like to spend their time doing productive things.
>
> I don't recall Jordan ever saying that, and in any case I certainly don't
> think that way.
I may be overstating the case somewhat. :) This was in reference
to a pseudo-advocacy thread a while back when I and several others
specifically asked for a "Mission Statement" type dealie, because one of
the problems facing the project currently is so many people working
towards so many different goals. I certainly don't look at this as a
"vanity OS" project, if I did I wouldn't contribute to it. And actually, I
don't think Jordan does either.
> For at least the past 3-4 years FreeBSD has absolutely been
> targeted for production server use. I guess when we started out we weren't
> that serious, but we sure are now.
Ok, I think that "targeted for production server use" is as good a
statement as any, not that I plan to hold you to it as gospel. My point in
my original post was more to show that the idea of a "one size fits all"
OS was not a good one, and in fact the person I responded to has since
clarified his position to me in private mail.
> Obviously the system should never crash. The mbuf problem is a difficult
> one to solve and it may be awhile before we have a solution. In the meantime
> people who need to do high volume things will need to learn how to tune
> their machines to avoid problems.
No argument here.
Thanks,
Doug
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