Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2025 13:39:27 +0200 From: Sulev-Madis Silber <freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system) Message-ID: <0EF11DA1-448F-4A5A-A6E2-7764985C5C95@ketas.si.pri.ee> In-Reply-To: <S0scwcCr6CV-mqjXoa25r0XOQqm86TCcIXyl9iZ0mV-BrIKOlkfuHKxqjpbH8cuinimu4-9QRren6m9GGEZ5j_euqb9Vz0Wry1kXCalH30Y=@stevengharms.com> References: <JDv17dtjl93rFR9A8XB9qHlawC2oW7JmmXWsnMKq2r51p61si48CAAOzIBi6pY_nTMdJ7zCvSL6M-Hics-CrqLhDJjZP2SG0v1zEHqH8Ug4=@stevengharms.com> <CAFYkXjmN7ma1GDuFP5p3KdHJtoO9Yri-iNLtuOL6mDKx91CBhA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjnEW8G03VKw4B77-aMQFnPLH7RZQApxWqCZpts5rpQWiA@mail.gmail.com> <S0scwcCr6CV-mqjXoa25r0XOQqm86TCcIXyl9iZ0mV-BrIKOlkfuHKxqjpbH8cuinimu4-9QRren6m9GGEZ5j_euqb9Vz0Wry1kXCalH30Y=@stevengharms.com>
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if i read what hellosystem did to whole init, i can't see how it could be i= mplemented easily, nevermind it being default=2E they also disabled ttys an= d everything unsure what the solution would be here there are number of custom fbsd inits, even i have it, with defaults unlik= ely to be suitable for anyone except me=2E i have plans to take some of tha= t and add as features to see if they would have use elsewhere i never looked, can you disable kernel output too? someone suggested redir= ecting output to serial where it disappears or using splashes=2E that, of c= ourse hides everything=2E can't even debug errors=2E it's like windows syst= em, if you ask someone to help you, they might ask what's on the screen, th= en you say nothing, it just sits the with empty screen=2E then helper would= be like oh bummer too=2E it's all nice quiet and dumb maybe there could be midpoint here=2E maybe some key or something=2E unsur= e how it would work tho=2E as it goes from loader to kernel to init/multius= er i get the issue, just can't think of easy solution here that wouldn't piss= off others=2E by watching init, it's easy to spot setup errors=2E yeah, gr= anted, if you even know what it all means i'm thinking of what linux distros do=2E they are more common on laptops= =2E i haven't heard them hiding all and nor do i hear massive complaints ab= out "machine scribberish"? who knows what the real solution is=2E patch init to hell and back, to inc= lude all that=2E make special desktop overlay, so the granny won't ask son,= what's the wlan0? remember, init still needs to be fast and usable after all this work and m= aybe it can't be default=2E nevermind that current install is inherently un= friendly and doesn't really allow one to boot into open firefox home page e= asily=2E and who can make it happen, are unlikely to be bothered with messa= ges i get the problem tho also, when people, maybe not on fbsd but else where, complained that it bo= ots over a minute, how can it be=2E who even boots machines that much=2E th= at was for servers=2E maybe laptops get booted nore often, esp=2E how the s= uspend doesn't often work and nevermind to disk, that's not even implemente= d=2E so people boot=2E also, is this recent or what=2E systems have booted = for some time since forever=2E ok this is about time, not messages=2E maybe= times indeed need blank screens with nice images i'm like, when i reboot android phone, i often wonder why does it shutdown= or init that long=2E i wish i could see, if i want, what it does=2E i bet = here it's similar, how to, like, get messages if needed, all, of one wants,= and definitely any irrecoverable errors, eg failed storage or so maybe i have use for it on my own even if somebody comes out with all arou= nd good solution
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