Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:46:52 -0300 From: H <hm@hm.net.br> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <201206120646.59491.hm@hm.net.br> In-Reply-To: <7B6E5361-B109-498E-B22F-96A94DEC371B@mac.com> References: <CAOgwaMvsv3e1TxDauV038Pp7LRiYeH7oAODE%2Bw-pxHt9oGrXMA@mail.gmail.com> <201206112335.q5BNZGPT029709@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> <7B6E5361-B109-498E-B22F-96A94DEC371B@mac.com>
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--nextPart10070759.uoyylTscIr Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday 11 June 2012 20:59 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Hi, Dave-- >=20 > On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: > [ ... ] >=20 > > Do I have this wrong? Anyone see a problem with this picture? > > What can we do to "just upgrade" in a safe fashion when we want to? >=20 > Two things help tremendously: >=20 > #1: Have working backups. If you run into a problem, roll back the > system to a working state. If you cannot restore a working system > easily, fix your backup solution until you can rollback easily. >=20 > #2: Have a package-building box and test builds before installing > new package builds to other boxes. Your downtime for upgrades > to the rest of your boxes become minimized. >=20 > Regards, of course it helps ... but please do not forget that most people just want their desktop up to dat= e=20 and have a working kde (or any other) environment I believe the ports tree simply must? should? be seen as it is, partially g= ood=20 working, and partially a jorney to very dark places , depends on which port= s=20 and how many you have installed=20 in any case it is for somebody who knows what he does and can find his way = out,=20 or is courageous, a "normal desktop user" probably is not able to upgrade k= de4=20 properly and ends up with an unusable machine On Monday 11 June 2012 20:20 Dave Hayes wrote: > Rainer Duffner <rainer@ultra-secure.de> writes: > > Sometimes, options only make sense in context of the selection of > > options of other ports and it thus may no be easily explainable in one > > line. >=20 > I don't understand Are you saying this is a reason not to document what > these options do? both here deepen the "lead into the dark" theory On Sunday 10 June 2012 14:10 O. Hartmann wrote: > "portmaster" does even more damage. Sometimed a port reels in some newly > updates, a port gets deleted. if on of the to be updated prerquisits > fail, the port in question isn't there anymore. this is caused of ports tree's install script maior logic failure, BTW by=20 portmaster AND portupgrade and it happens quite often,=20 as already commented, nobody sits in front of the screen and watch the comp= ile=20 process so this problems go under at first sight I think, correcting this, would help a lot and may solve a lot of existing= =20 [hidden] problems.=20 I see only one way, having a complete package collection for easy upgrade most of you do not like it, but you must look at the competitors, Fedoras=20 upgrade system works, user do not need the newest features and none of them= =20 are essential for a desktop to work properly of course the package collection needs then something similar to portversio= n,=20 but not based on ports tree versions, in order to find available updates who then wants to customize or learn or who dares, can use the ports tree after all I guess any further effort on ports goes nowhere because it depen= ds=20 at the end on the maintainer and/or committer and people use to fail, that = is=20 so and nobody can change that.=20 Of course It would be nice to find this "eval" behaviour of deleting=20 accidentially installed ports corrected what is worth working on is a complete package collection and a propper upd= ate=20 tool for it Hans --nextPart10070759.uoyylTscIr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAk/XEBMACgkQvKVfg5xjCDxjHwCdHqJtEJ/km6GULVhB2dWT/y/q cToAn3xcXUS+MqfGH5JWf1qkUxvYDdBo =IFu5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart10070759.uoyylTscIr--
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