Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:21:43 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> To: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> Cc: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>, Andriy Gapon <avg@freebsd.org>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, Robert Watson <rwatson@freebsd.org>, Navdeep Parhar <np@freebsd.org>, Bruce Evans <brde@optusnet.com.au>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r244112 - head/sys/kern Message-ID: <50CF8CE7.4020906@mu.org> In-Reply-To: <201212171439.27297.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <201212110708.qBB78EWx025288@svn.freebsd.org> <50CBC285.7060307@mu.org> <20121215161414.V1029@besplex.bde.org> <201212171439.27297.jhb@freebsd.org>
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On 12/17/12 11:39 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:04:17 am Bruce Evans wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> >>> On 12/14/12 4:12 PM, Robert Watson wrote: >>>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, John Baldwin wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:02:15 am Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 04:53:48PM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: A> The >>>>>> problem again is that not all the KASSERTS are inviolable, if you A> want >>>>>> to do a project to split them, then please do, it would really be A> >>>>>> helpful, as for now, they are a mis-mash of death/warnings and there are >>>>>> A> at least three vendors who approve of this as well as 3 long term A> >>>>>> committers that approved my change (not including Adrian). >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you show examples of not inviolable KASSERTs? >>>>> There are none. They are all assertions for a reason. However, in my >> Not even one whose existence is a bug? :-) > They should just not exist at all then. :) All the more reason for them to > panic early and often so developers will be prompted to remove them. > This is hard to explain to a customer. customer: "So we ran your debug image and got you a panic, here is the information. So can you tell us what is the problem?" alfred: "well that is due to XXX other thing that is broken, thanks for helping us resolve that unrelated problem!" customer: "i hate you" alfred: "get in line." -Alfred
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