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Date:      Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:10 +0000
From:      bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org
To:        x11@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   [Bug 247441] graphics/gpu-firmware-kmod and or graphics/drm-fbsd11.2-kmod crashing 11.2 to 11.4 with a Radeon HD 5770 card
Message-ID:  <bug-247441-7141-ECk0VYwMl0@https.bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #15 from Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@FreeBSD.org> ---
(In reply to Warner Losh from comment #13)
> The graphics drivers are highly sensitive to many things most other drive=
rs
> are not.
Could you elaborate a bit more on this?  When DRM bits were in the base,
FreeBSD had offered awesome graphics experience, despite that it was claimed
those bits were actually not maintained very well.  That was just 2-3 years
ago, then we started to deteriorate rapidly.  What had changed?  Why did we
allow it?  Why no one waived the red flag?

> There's enough churn, even in stable, in the parts of the kernel that mat=
ter
> the graphics team is unable to provide much, if any, support for non-rele=
ased
> versions of FreeBSD (plus very recent current and stable branches).
This just means that there's bad communication and coordination of developm=
ent
efforts between the graphics team and src team.  In other words, our process
sucks (that's how our users see it).

> Maybe there is something different, maybe not, in the 11.4-PRERELEASE, ma=
ybe
> it will work, maybe not
Well, these "maybenots" make us look pretty bad, that's for sure.  I keep
receiving emails about more users switching from FreeBSD to GNU/Linux preci=
sely
because of lack of focus and uncertainty even among developers themselves.

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