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Date:      Sat, 06 Mar 2021 11:46:58 +0100
From:      Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>
To:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Waiting for bufdaemon
Message-ID:  <20210306114658.Horde.3TT5LEaEorYtcBz_kyAYJPI@webmail.leidinger.net>
In-Reply-To: <YEKYDlPuvn6TL4xs@kib.kiev.ua>
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Quoting Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com> (from Fri, 5 Mar=20=20
2021=2022:43:58 +0200):

> On Fri, Mar 05, 2021 at 04:03:11PM +0900, Yasuhiro Kimura wrote:
>> Dear src committers,
>>
>> From: Yasuhiro Kimura <yasu@utahime.org>
>> Subject: Re: Waiting for bufdaemon
>> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 05:02:42 +0900 (JST)
>>
>> >>> I have been experiencing same problem with my 13-CURRENT amd64
>> >>> VirtualBox VM for about a month. The conditions that the problem
>> >>> happens are unclear and all what I can say is
>> >>>
>> >>> * It happens only after I login in the VM and do something for a
>> >>>   while. If I boot the VM and shut it down immediately, it never
>> >>>   happens.
>> >>> * When the problem happens, one or more unkillable processes seem to
>> >>>   be left.
>> >>
>> >> CPU of my host is not AMD but Intel. According to the
>> >> /var/run/dmesg.boot of VM, information of CPU is as following.
>> >>
>> >> CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700 CPU @ 3.00GHz (3000.09-MHz K8-class CP=
U)
>> >>   Origin=3D"GenuineIntel"  Id=3D0x906ed  Family=3D0x6  Model=3D0x9e  =
Stepping=3D13
>> >>=20=20=20=20
>>=20Features=3D0x1783fbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR=
,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT>
>> >>=20=20=20=20
>>=20Features2=3D0x5eda2203<SSE3,PCLMULQDQ,SSSE3,CX16,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MO=
VBE,POPCNT,AESNI,XSAVE,OSXSAVE,AVX,RDRAND>
>> >>   AMD Features=3D0x28100800<SYSCALL,NX,RDTSCP,LM>
>> >>   AMD Features2=3D0x121<LAHF,ABM,Prefetch>
>> >>   Structured Extended=20=20
>>=20Features=3D0x842421<FSGSBASE,AVX2,INVPCID,NFPUSG,RDSEED,CLFLUSHOPT>
>> >>   Structured Extended Features3=3D0x30000400<MD_CLEAR,L1DFL,ARCH_CAP>
>> >>   IA32_ARCH_CAPS=3D0x29<RDCL_NO,SKIP_L1DFL_VME,MDS_NO>
>> >>   TSC: P-state invariant
>> >>
>> >> Just FYI.
>> >
>> > It took for a while to investigate, but according to the result of
>> > bisect following commit is the source of problem in my case.
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > commit 84eaf2ccc6a
>> > Author: Konstantin Belousov <kib@FreeBSD.org>
>> > Date:   Mon Dec 21 19:02:31 2020 +0200
>> >
>> >     x86: stop punishing VMs with low priority for TSC timecounter
>> >
>> >     I suspect that virtualization techniques improved from the=20=20
>>=20time when we
>> >     have to effectively disable TSC use in VM.  For instance, it=20=20
>>=20was reported
>> >     (complained) in https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues/38877 th=
at
>> >     FreeBSD is groundlessly slow on AWS with some loads.
>> >
>> >     Remove the check and start watching for complaints.
>> >
>> >     Reviewed by:    emaste, grehan
>> >     Discussed with: cperciva
>> >     Sponsored by:   The FreeBSD Foundation
>> >     Differential Revision:  https://reviews.freebsd.org/D27629
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > I confirmed the problem still happens with 5c325977b11 but reverting
>> > above commit fixes it.
>>
>> Would someone please revert above commit from main, stable/13 and
>> releng/13.0? As I wrote previous mail I submitted this problem to
>> Bugzilla as bug 253087 and added the committer to Cc. But there is no
>> response for 34 days.
>>
>> I confirmed the problem still happens with 37cd6c20dbc of main and
>> 13.0-RC1.
>
> My belief is that this commit helps more users than it hurts.  Namely,
> the VMWare and KVM users, which are majority, use fast timecounter,
> comparing to the more niche hypervisors like VirtualBox.
>
> For you, a simple but manual workaround, setting the timecounter to
> ACPI (?) or might be HPET, with a loader tunable, should do it.

Do you propose this to him as a test if this solves the issue with the=20=
=20
intend=20to change the code to use a more suitable TC if VirtualBox is=20=
=20
detected?

Bye,
Alexander.

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