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Date:      Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:23:48 -0700
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        "Neal E. Westfall" <nwestfal@directvinternet.com>
Cc:        Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why did evolution fail?
Message-ID:  <3D756EB4.DE0179ED@mindspring.com>
References:  <20020903133932.W66978-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan>

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"Neal E. Westfall" wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > > Nature seems to vote against that one.
> > >
> > > How so?
> >
> > By evolving creatures who imprison or kill peers who engage in
> > forcible reproductive acts, thereby ensuring their removal from
> > the gene pool.
> 
> Have either of you ever wondered why, over billions of years, evolution
> hasn't made these problems irrelevant?  I mean, how many billions of
> years do we need to wait for evolution to kick in and remove the
> miscreants?

Either it's not a genetic trait, or the gene is recessive.

Recessive genes do not get eliminated from the population,
because there is no evolutionary pressure on the bearers of
the genes, only on their offspring in which the genes are
expressed.


> > A society no more cares for its individual members than you
> > care for the individual cells which make up your body.
> 
> Why then all the talk about "the rights of the state"?

Thus implying a state which cares not for individual members
has no rights?

By that argument, we should not talk about the rights of the
individual, since individuals are made up of cells, yet do not
care for the rights of the individual cells of which they are
composed... and therefore have no rights.

-- Terry

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