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Date:      Fri, 3 Jan 2020 07:03:57 +0100
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Jan Beich <jbeich@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Thomas Mueller <mueller6722@twc.com>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Portmaster failing
Message-ID:  <20200103060357.que3v4nvgakwusq4@ivaldir.net>
In-Reply-To: <5zhu-klwz-wny@FreeBSD.org>
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On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 02:50:04PM +0100, Jan Beich wrote:
> "Thomas Mueller" <mueller6722@twc.com> writes:
>=20
> >> This is why we practically beg people to use poudriere. There seems to
> >> be a pervasive misconception that poudriere is "advanced" and
> >> portmaster is simple or straightforward. That notion is completely and
> >> totally backwards. Poudriere makes managing ports as simple and
> >> trouble-free as possible, and portmaster is specifically for people
> >> who can troubleshoot and fix problems like the one you're describing
> >> on their own. These problems WILL continue to happen very regularly
> >> for portmaster, because portmaster simply cannot do the right thing on
> >> its own. It will ALWAYS require manual intervention every time
> >> anything remotely significant changes.
> >
> >> I've mentioned this to you before, lbutlr, because you post about
> >> encountering these snags quite regularly, and your (quite warranted)
> >> frustration is apparent. I really do think that your FreeBSD life will
> >> be simpler if you switch from portmaster to poudriere. If you choose
> >> to stay on portmaster, however, then you need to check the resentment
> >> about build failures. They are simply an inevitable consequence of
> >> using a very old and broken tool that should only be used by people
> >> with substantial port-handling experience.
> >
> >> You are right that there wasn't a warning, and that was a major
> >> mistake that should not have happened. security/openssl and
> >> security/openssl111 should have contained messages about this switch.
> >
> >
> >> Adam Weinberger
> >
> > I suppose what you say about portmaster applies equally to portupgrade?
> >
> > I get the impression that synth and its dependency gcc6-aux are falling=
 into desuetude if not actually officially deprecated.
> >
> > gcc6-aux has not been updated while gcc is up tp 8.3 and 9.2.
>=20
> DragonFly has lang/gcc9-aux since https://github.com/DragonFlyBSD/DeltaPo=
rts/commit/bb774aced6d7
> Synth is still used to build binary packages on DragonFly e.g.,
> https://sting.dragonflybsd.org/dports/logs/lang___gcc9-aux.log

And is phase to be replaced by dsynth in there (rewrite in C by dillon@)

Best regards,
Bapt

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