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Date:      Sun, 2 Feb 2025 07:08:25 -0500
From:      Brandon Allbery <allbery.b@gmail.com>
To:        Sulev-Madis Silber <freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system)
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On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Sulev-Madis Silber <
freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote:

> i'm thinking of what linux distros do. they are more common on laptops. i
> haven't heard them hiding all and nor do i hear massive complaints about
> "machine scribberish"?
>

systemd-journald captures all the logs and you use journalctl to access
them. dmesg does most of the relevant things on fbsd.


> also, when people, maybe not on fbsd but else where, complained that it
> boots over a minute, how can it be. who even boots machines that much. th=
at
> was for servers. maybe laptops get booted nore often, esp. how the suspen=
d
> doesn't often work and nevermind to disk, that's not even implemented. so
> people boot. also, is this recent or what. systems have booted for some
> time since forever. ok this is about time, not messages. maybe times inde=
ed
> need blank screens with nice images
>

Linux systemd puts a UI up as quickly as possible while booting continues
in the background. I'm not sure how trustworthy that is, TBH.

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brandon s allbery kf8nh
allbery.b@gmail.com

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Su=
lev-Madis Silber &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas=
.si.pri.ee">freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee</a>&gt; wrote:</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">i&#39;m thinking of what linux distros do. they=
 are more common on laptops. i haven&#39;t heard them hiding all and nor do=
 i hear massive complaints about &quot;machine scribberish&quot;?<br></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>systemd-journald captures all the logs and you u=
se journalctl to access them. dmesg does most of the relevant things on fbs=
d.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
also, when people, maybe not on fbsd but else where, complained that it boo=
ts over a minute, how can it be. who even boots machines that much. that wa=
s for servers. maybe laptops get booted nore often, esp. how the suspend do=
esn&#39;t often work and nevermind to disk, that&#39;s not even implemented=
. so people boot. also, is this recent or what. systems have booted for som=
e time since forever. ok this is about time, not messages. maybe times inde=
ed need blank screens with nice images<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
Linux systemd puts a UI up as quickly as possible while booting continues i=
n the background. I&#39;m not sure how trustworthy that is, TBH.</div></div=
><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div>brandon s allbery kf8nh</div><div><a href=3D"mailto:allbery.b@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">allbery.b@gmail.com</a></div></div></div></div></div>=
</div>

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