Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 07:08:25 -0500 From: Brandon Allbery <allbery.b@gmail.com> To: Sulev-Madis Silber <freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system) Message-ID: <CAKFCL4X9Phm_4DO4baZP4JPu3%2BeXxBuDE2oOZ48Ga-LUHeFRkg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0EF11DA1-448F-4A5A-A6E2-7764985C5C95@ketas.si.pri.ee> References: <JDv17dtjl93rFR9A8XB9qHlawC2oW7JmmXWsnMKq2r51p61si48CAAOzIBi6pY_nTMdJ7zCvSL6M-Hics-CrqLhDJjZP2SG0v1zEHqH8Ug4=@stevengharms.com> <CAFYkXjmN7ma1GDuFP5p3KdHJtoO9Yri-iNLtuOL6mDKx91CBhA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjnEW8G03VKw4B77-aMQFnPLH7RZQApxWqCZpts5rpQWiA@mail.gmail.com> <S0scwcCr6CV-mqjXoa25r0XOQqm86TCcIXyl9iZ0mV-BrIKOlkfuHKxqjpbH8cuinimu4-9QRren6m9GGEZ5j_euqb9Vz0Wry1kXCalH30Y=@stevengharms.com> <0EF11DA1-448F-4A5A-A6E2-7764985C5C95@ketas.si.pri.ee>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40 AM Sulev-Madis Silber < freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote: > i'm thinking of what linux distros do. they are more common on laptops. i > haven't heard them hiding all and nor do i hear massive complaints about > "machine scribberish"? > systemd-journald captures all the logs and you use journalctl to access them. dmesg does most of the relevant things on fbsd. > also, when people, maybe not on fbsd but else where, complained that it > boots over a minute, how can it be. who even boots machines that much. that > was for servers. maybe laptops get booted nore often, esp. how the suspend > doesn't often work and nevermind to disk, that's not even implemented. so > people boot. also, is this recent or what. systems have booted for some > time since forever. ok this is about time, not messages. maybe times indeed > need blank screens with nice images > Linux systemd puts a UI up as quickly as possible while booting continues in the background. I'm not sure how trustworthy that is, TBH. -- brandon s allbery kf8nh allbery.b@gmail.com [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40 AM Sulev-Madis Silber <<a href="mailto:freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee">freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">i'm thinking of what linux distros do. they are more common on laptops. i haven't heard them hiding all and nor do i hear massive complaints about "machine scribberish"?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>systemd-journald captures all the logs and you use journalctl to access them. dmesg does most of the relevant things on fbsd.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">also, when people, maybe not on fbsd but else where, complained that it boots over a minute, how can it be. who even boots machines that much. that was for servers. maybe laptops get booted nore often, esp. how the suspend doesn't often work and nevermind to disk, that's not even implemented. so people boot. also, is this recent or what. systems have booted for some time since forever. ok this is about time, not messages. maybe times indeed need blank screens with nice images<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Linux systemd puts a UI up as quickly as possible while booting continues in the background. I'm not sure how trustworthy that is, TBH.</div></div><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>brandon s allbery kf8nh</div><div><a href="mailto:allbery.b@gmail.com" target="_blank">allbery.b@gmail.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div>help
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