Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:18:54 -0700 From: Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> To: Scott Long <scottl@freebsd.org> Cc: Freebsd Current <current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Fixing -pthreads (Re: ports and -current) Message-ID: <20030923051854.GA99363@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <3F6FCD7E.4070301@freebsd.org> References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10309221420290.17698-100000@pcnet5.pcnet.com> <3F6FCD7E.4070301@freebsd.org>
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:35:10PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > Daniel Eischen wrote: > >This is about 3rd party applications built outside of > >ports. The only possible problem you are going to > >have is on the link command, and it should be obvious > >that you're missing a link to the threads library. > >This is trivial to fix. It's not like we're making > >someone change their code to accomodate library or > >kernel interface changes. > > > > This is exactly the case the is going to cause the problems, though. > For you, compiling a 3rd party app and dealing with failures in the > linker is easy to deal with. For someone else, it might not be. If > they go to compile an app and it compiles and runs fine on linux but > fails on FreeBSD with linker errors, it will likely leave a negative > impression in their mind. > > I'm comparing my arguments to linux because a lot more apps are written > with linux in mind than with solaris in mind these days. People who are > writing for linux or switching from linux might not know that > '-lpthread' is a requirement, but they are more likely to know that > '-pthread' will take care of all of that magic for them. This argument > really comes down to ease of use and user experience. Steering away > from de-facto standards steers us away from a positive user and > developer experience. > If the behavior of -pthread is documented in the man pages, then your argument holds no water. If the link stage fails, one would hope that the user can read the documention. -- Steve
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