Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:20 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider <wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> Cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who disabled my urchin stats? Message-ID: <19981015144920.A15041@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 11:38:52AM -0700 References: <19981014161618.A15520@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com>
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Jordan, you need a vacation.
Wolfram
On 1998-10-14 11:38:52 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > I disabled the urchin stats Saturday morning because
> > this tool deleted most part of the web log files :-((((
>
> You should have talked to me - we could have looked into your claims
> more thoroughly. I've already been running urchin here in test
> mode and it's been working fine; www.freebsd.org is NOT the first
> urchin test site, contrary to your belief.
>
> > Jordan started the urchin stats as root (!!!) from /etc/crontab
> > every day at 0:00. The urchin scripts also runs a
> > own log file rotation script ;-{
>
> They're supposed to run as root.
>
> > At 4:00 the webmaster do the standard log file rotation. The
> > result of the log rotation script clash are mostly empty
> > log files. All entries between 04:00 and 24:00 are deleted.
> > No thank you!
>
> I can disable the rotation - you never even mentioned it as a problem
> before now so I didn't do so.
>
> > Log file rotation and log file analyzing are two different things.
> > The log file rotation script *must* run once a day as root. Analyzing
> > tools are optional software. They should never be started as root!!
>
> This needs to run as root.
>
> > As I already you told, www.freebsd.org is our production server.
> > Don't run test software on www.freebsd.org! Don't do it as root!!
>
> This needs to run as root.
>
> > If you want perform test copy the log files to bento.freebsd.org
> > and run the scripts at bento.
>
> I've already run tests here. Since you refuse to even communicate
> with me, how was I supposed to know that it was causing problems
> on www.freebsd.org?
>
> > This is the second case where a Core Team member used his root
> > privileges to break into the web server - without talking to me
> > directly. And I have to fix the bugs ...
>
> If you had bothered to COMMUNICATE about this yourself, we wouldn't
> have gotten to this state at all. It has always been occasionally
> necessary for others to do web-oriented things on our machines and the
> webmaster doesn't have an exclusive monopoly on this, just as others
> occasionally jump in on postmaster issues or system admin tasks. You
> being the primary contact does not absolve you from working with
> others in the project and I expect you to communicate with others
> here. I never made any secret of the urchin stats or what I was doing
> with them, but you made a secret of the problems it was causing and
> now we're yelling at eachother. Either be more willing to communicate
> with others over issues like this in the future or realize that maybe
> you're not the right choice for webmaster. Nobody gets to run their
> piece like a fiefdom and you are expected to communicate with others
> when problems arise, not just run around disabling stuff for reasons
> known only to you.
>
> - Jordan
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