Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:42:02 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca> To: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cliff is a Luddite Message-ID: <200203070342.g273g2j00694@orthanc.ab.ca> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:00:38 PST." <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com>
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[ Followups to chat (where I'm not subscribed :-) ] >>>>> "Terry" == Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> writes: Terry> As to the idea that the observer always changes the thing Terry> being observed, that's silly. It's only true if the observer Terry> isn't copetent, until you get down to the quantum level. And in many cases, the "quantum" is defined by "the server just crashed." Or more likely: who just crashed it. (See below.) Terry> Actually, the use of individual equipment is one of the Terry> things that's wrong with todays CS classes. If you do your Terry> work on your own machine at home, rather than using shared Terry> resources, you never learn to "play nice" with other software Terry> on the system that you didn't plan on. It's one of the Terry> reasons Windows Systems are so fragile these days, when Terry> programs from different vendors are loaded on them: the Terry> programmers responsible never had to learn to "play nice with Terry> the other kids". A.k.a "those who ignore history are bound to repeat it." The amount of time spent re-educating people who have been "Linux-ated" by university computing science departments is just scary. Why oh why am I *still* spending time explaining to 4th-year grads why it is not necessary to '-f outfile' when the shell does that for you? First, let's kill all the CS profs. (Seriously. What has come over these people? And what would happen to them if we wound the clock back eight years or so to the point where Windows was not a realistic option, and Java didn't exist? Was there no Computing Science back then?) Terry> I think his neo-luddite books "Silicon Snake Oil: Second Terry> Thoughts on The Information Highway" and "High Tech Heretic: Terry> Why Computers Don't Belong in the Classroom and Other Terry> Reflections by a Computer Contrarion" are a lot more telling, Terry> don't you? Cliff is a luddite. Although I've been an amateur radio operator for 24 years I don't agree with his "I know morse code and therefore so should you" attitude. Besides, anyone who microwaves his shoes should have his root password, let alone his transmitting license, umm, nuked. --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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