Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 08:29:09 -0400 From: Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Docker Message-ID: <54e45838-28df-d99d-f063-e2613589a98d@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <CA%2B1FSihn%2BB6LTUm7gof6Nd=niL5=dMvQ46HUv=NJ2%2BNhcLS7RQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSijc%2B-OLNsyFNdR=jP3VzMi4zUE92i5iv9Pfg6AryDy_KQ@mail.gmail.com> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <CA%2B1FSihVrJ8cZ4ZU6mMr0sKJsZ98V4fh2vpDLugw7MGj-%2BEBPg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijL50mQ-HveBA4HZeNkSoaORv=aty-15nNLzn9amzY_nw@mail.gmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSigV_pPwVW%2BDd8WZYGcNQVt7%2BYOcsnJFoRhS6jL5A636pg@mail.gmail.com> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <CA%2B1FSihVPCQ6tp8u=aqnLyyOPpCMrnhYGcC8bCUgRbFHTdY5sA@mail.gmail.com> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <20230412155252.5e38ea4728bd52dc798852fc@sohara.org> <1d0a7ed1-9330-49df-9b66-9ee4387de511@app.fastmail.com> <78F4160A-2D26-4A22-9139-A9132FC42688@ellael.org> <20230417133223.3ef5e26c.freebsd@edvax.de> <CA%2B1FSihn%2BB6LTUm7gof6Nd=niL5=dMvQ46HUv=NJ2%2BNhcLS7RQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 4/17/23 8:07 AM, Mario Marietto wrote: > Ohhh finally someone has been able to catch the reasons why docker has > been and it is a great tool. I may agree that these reasons aren't > heavily based on the code's sophistication. But hey,who says that this > is enough to decide if a tool is useful and capable of reaching the > critical mass of people ? Docker can be used by non-skilled people,like > me and many others. Jails are good,technically well coded,but less > known,they exude an excessive technicality, unlike FreeBSD, which is > more immediate to use (and this seems to be a contradiction). For sure I > don't want to import in the FreeBSD ecosystem tools like there are in > windows, where developers prefer to sacrifice too much technicality in > exchange to an exaggerated ease of use. I don't want that tool to think > for me. I use my PC to train my mind to solve problems every day,but if > those problems are too complicated,I can't solve anything and I can't > help no one to test how the development of a tool is going. I know that > many will disagree,but each operating system has strengths and > weaknesses because whoever creates it comes from a certain cultural > background and has fed them since its origins. Linux seems to be the > middle ground between ease of use and a certain amount of complication > in solving the problems it brings with it. Windows bores me because it > has too low a complexity level. FreeBSD has lagged in the adoption of > several technologies that came into linux and this makes it intuitive to > understand how to use it. If you don't want to adapt docker to FreeBSD, > at least the use of jails should be made more usable and immediate for > users who don't have much experience. > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:33 PM Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de > <mailto:freebsd@edvax.de>> wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote: > > Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be distributed > > by any capable admin, granted. > > And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people. > One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things > for you, included thinking. The other side is a shiny web interface. > The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a > contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support, > and maybe the illusion of stability. ;-) > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > > > > -- > Mario. I agree both with you, Mario, and Polytropon. Docker can be used by unskilled person. But with the same potential results as when unskilled person builds car for oneself. The only reason why to the contrary to car falling apart on unskilled person who built it oneself, I do not much care about the results of unskilled person using docker. For cars we share roads, and someone else may get hurt. But in case of docker: if you don't know what you are doing, it will be only you who can get hurt. So, suite yourself. Apologies if it sounds impolite. Just reiterating old truth: the result is worth as much as the effort and skill put into obtaining it. Valeri
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