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Date:      Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:09:46 -0700 (MST)
From:      "Kenneth D. Merry" <ken@plutotech.com>
To:        klh@us.oracle.com (Ken Harrenstien)
Cc:        freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: $$ Error in Handbook sect 2.1.1
Message-ID:  <199903262109.OAA95239@panzer.plutotech.com>
In-Reply-To: <CMM.0.90.4.922481732.klh@churchy20.us.oracle.com> from Ken Harrenstien at "Mar 26, 1999 12:55:32 pm"

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Ken Harrenstien wrote...
> > > (1) Would someone please update the Handbook so others aren't
> > >     victimized?
> > 
> > All it'll take is someone to SGMLize the hardware stuff.  You can do it if
> > you like, and send-pr it as a doc bug.  Or just mail it to
> > freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG.
> 
> I understand the principle, but you give me too much credit for knowing
> what's going on.  I did try to find the right list to send this to
> (freebsd-doc is in the "technical content only" group) but will forward
> as you suggest.
> 
> > This was well publicized ahead of time, perhaps a year in advance of the
> > CAM integration.  So many (most?) folks knew it was coming.
> 
> Not newbies such as myself.  What's on the web site -- and most of the
> doc links point to the Handbook -- is what potential new users see for
> the first time.  (It's a little troubling if this was known for a year
> and nobody noticed the potential impact on the frontline doc.)

Oh, it may have been noticed, but no one stepped up to fix it.

> > > (2) Is it really considered normal for stable releases to drop previously
> > >     supported devices/systems?
> > 
> > It is when you want to get new functionality in.
> 
> Thank you for clarifying the FreeBSD philosophy.  This is not what I
> was hoping for, but I no longer have the time to fix it either...  my
> kernel hacking days expired along with the PDP-11.

It isn't the "FreeBSD philosophy" in general, but rather a conscious
decision that was made in this case.  The CAM SCSI layer is a big
improvement over the old SCSI layer, and there was a general consensus to
get the big functional improvement in the tree, even if it cost us some
rarely-used drivers.  There has been much more to-do about the Adaptec
6260/6360 (i.e. "aic") driver, and someone stepped up to do it, but
hasn't gotten much done.

Just as you have no time to fix the driver yourself, no one else with time
has stepped up to port the PAS SCSI driver, so it remains un-done.  In a
volunteer effort, you've gotta take what you can get.

Ken
-- 
Kenneth Merry
ken@plutotech.com


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