Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:30:02 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: Kevin Van Maren <vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu>, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Swat teams (was: problem reports) Message-ID: <19981210123002.K12688@freebie.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <28050.913254550@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 05:49:10PM -0800 References: <19981210115025.E12688@freebie.lemis.com> <28050.913254550@zippy.cdrom.com>
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On Wednesday, 9 December 1998 at 17:49:10 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> 1. I would doubtless have answered many PRs instead of doing the work >> I should be, *if* I knew how to do it. Where's the FM? > > I thought that was your job, Mr Author. :) Certainly nobody else > around here seems to be writting FMs and it's probably silly to even > hope that they will. I'd sooner wait for Godot than for the various > folks here to write lots of docs. This might be a short-sighted viewpoint, especially if you have Godot's phone number. >> 2. Asking people to join -committers may be the wrong way round. >> Find somebody who wants do join, and say ``OK, first your >> apprenticeship: 1000 bug reports well answered'' :-) > > This usually works, but sometimes you have to get more insistent, > especially when the person in question is accumulating a backlog of > open PRs. Fine, but I haven't seen it happening. I got a lot of documentation when I got my commit privileges, but nothing said ``now go and close your 1000 PRs''. >> 3. Somebody (probably you) needs to keep an eye on the bugs and see >> that the important ones are recognized as important, and that they >> get fixed. At the moment, any fool can put in a ``system down, > > I try, but there are a lot of freakin' PRs here and I'm not enough of > a kernel hacker to commit the scarier looking ones myself. Also, > every time I do, Bruce yells at me about a misplaced tab or some sort > of similar criminal negligence. :-) You misunderstand. You (or whoever) don't have to do the work, you just need to keep an eye on it: in other words, ensure that people with too little experience or too extreme views don't mishandle PRs. >> installing Linux emulation. Others may think little of that the >> fact that NFS is so unreliable that you can't do a ``make world'' >> on an NFS mounted file system. Clearly there needs to be a > > It's not that unreliable. I do this all the time. But yes, NFS needs > lots of other things fixed. That was an example. But I haven't been able to get it to work on my net for at least 6 months. This is the kind of PR that can be mishandled: Unable to reproduce this on *any* 3.0 system with properly sync'd kernel and userland. >> 4. One way to at least raise the awareness of the problem is to have >> a bugfixers mailing list, one of whose members is cvs-all. Sure, > > That's sort of what committers is already supposed to do. It needs to be made more obvious. I'd guess that more than 50% of committers don't feel responsible for any bug not in their immediate area of influence. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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