Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:47:01 -0500 From: Jeff <jlr@soltec.net> To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <35964955.F4DF582D@soltec.net> References: <XFMail.980628125334.malte@webmore.com>
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As a new subscriber to the list, I've read w/ some interest the post(s) by Mr. Woerner, and the various, numerous responses. In many regards, I sort of thought he wasn't being given a fair shake. Your response seens gracious & gentlemanly. I commend you. I do agree with the moral concept of Mr. Woerner. And I understand how Freebsd.org is simply posting a listing of known internet sites using the OS in a demanding way. I hope Mr. Woerner (and I, too) will not demand that freebsd cowtow to our moral standards. But being able to express oneself about a wholesome thing is a precious and treasured thing, especially admirable when done in a courageous and gracious way. It's a shame in many ways to see what's happened to the Internet with the aggressive commercialization of content & sites. And we know the super highway is full of potholes. But it's still currently the greatest wonder of our modern era. It's just too bad filfth mongers get to peddle their wares, too. But that's one of the costs of freedom. Thanks for a so far helpful list. Jeff Rogers jlr@soltec.net http://www.soltec.net/~jlr Malte Lance wrote: > Reading and thinking the discussion over, i realize the following: > > Mr Woerner just tried to help FreeBSD, Inc and the german mirror > due to the legal situation in germany. > > I was projecting my whole disappointment regarding the telecommunication- > regulation-amok in germany onto his person. That was wrong. > > Mr Woerner, please take my apologize for loading all the shit on you. > I am really sorry for that. > > Malte. > > On 27-Jun-98 Frank Pawlak wrote: > > On Jun 27, 3:12pm, spork wrote: > >> Subject: Re: your mail > >> Do the folks that oppose this stuff feel that it is someone else's > >> responsibility to teach their children right from wrong? There are alot > >> of things wrong with the world, but trying to "protect" children from all > >> the wrongs rather than educating them seems backwards. > > > > I suspect that you are correct here. > > > >> > >> All the time Mr. Woerner has spent sending these emails to this list would > >> have been better spent on volunteering at a local youth outreach center I > >> think. > >> > > > > You probably should have another read of Greg Lehey's post regarding this > > issue, and get off the poor guy's back. > > > > Frank > > > > > >> Charles Sprickman > >> spork@super-g.com > >> ---- > >> > >> On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Arne Woerner wrote: > >> > >> > i thought questions@freebsd.org is an email address where complaints about > >> > http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html > >> > can be sent to. > >> > all links i annouced can be found on the freebsd pages! > >> > i have annouced these links because some subscribers asked me to do this! > >> > > >> > on bill gates' page no one will ever find those references. > >> > and bill gates' support engineers would not tell lies about people who > >> > try to help! > >> > > >> > your web pages are very uncool! > >> > > >> > i do not want any emails from you. thank you! > >> > > >> > -woerner > >> > > >> > >From djv@lucy.bedford.net Sat Jun 27 13:23:11 1998 > >> > >From: CyberPeasant <djv@lucy.bedford.net> > >> > >Subject: Re: your mail from 1998-06-27 05:31:27 etc. pp. > >> > >To: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de (Arne Woerner) > >> > >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:22:29 -0400 (EDT) > >> > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> > > > >> > >Arne Woerner wrote > >> > >> i never sent any emails to your domain. > >> > > > >> > >Yes you did; I have archived several of them. They are undeniably > >> > >from you. Since my porn filter caught them, you received warning > >> > >messages. Child pornography is illegal in the United States. It > >> > >is not a suitable subject for discussion on a technical questions > >> > >mailing list with thousands of innocent subscribers. > >> > > > >> > >Please do not send any more material about child pornography to me > >> > >or I shall certainly take action with responsible authorities. > >> > > > >> > >I AM ADVISING YOU NOW THAT I DO NOT WISH TO RECEIVE EMAIL FROM YOU > >> > >ABOUT CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. I AM NOT GOING TO VISIT ANY WEBSITES THAT > >> > >YOU SUGGEST, AND IF YOU PERSIST, I CAN AND WILL TAKE ACTION. > >> > > > >> > >*** ICH SAGE IHNEN, DASZ ICH K E I N KINDERPORN WUENSCHE. > >> > >*** ICH WERDE DIES ANWEIS N I C H T WIEDERHOLEN. > >> > > > >> > >> please blame the maintainer of the mailing list for those mails. > >> > >> no more mails from you to me, please! > >> > >> > >> > >> thank you. > >> > >> > >> > >> -woerner > >> > >> >From listread@lucy.bedford.net Sat Jun 27 11:38:56 1998 > >> > >> >Subject: Auto Response > >> > >> >To: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de (Arne Woerner) > >> > >> >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 05:31:27 -0400 (EDT) > >> > >> >X-no-archive: yes > >> > >> >From: CyberPeasant <djv@bedford.net> > >> > >> >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> > >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >This is an automated response. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Email sent to my address contained sufficient trigger-words to suggest > >> > >> >that it contains child pornography or other undesirable and/or other > >> > >> >illegal material. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >If such mails persist, legal action will be taken. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > -------------------TEXT OF OFFENDING > > MAIL------------------------------------- > >> > >> >> From djv Sat Jun 27 04:42:42 1998 > >> > >> >> From: Arne Woerner <arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de> > >> > >> >> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:23:42 +0200 (MET DST) > >> > >> >> Message-Id: <199806270723.JAA13694@azurix.rz.tu-clausthal.de> > >> > >> >> To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >> > >> >> Cc: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de > >> > >> >> Subject: Re: http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html > >> > >> >> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >> > >> >> X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> i found a third possibly child-endangering reference: > >> > >> >> <LI><A > > HREF="http://www.persiankitty.com"><STRONG>WWW.PersianKitty.COM > >> > >> >> </STRONG></A> -- Adult Links web site</LI> > >> > >> >> suspicious words: > >> > >> >> Adult Links > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> thank you for your cooperation. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> -woerner > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> > >> >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >-- > >> > > The freedom to decide who you are and what you drink. > >> > > There's nothing more American than that. > >> > > So, be free. Drink RC. > >> > > > >> > >From listread@lucy.bedford.net Sat Jun 27 13:08:24 1998 > >> > >Subject: Auto Response > >> > >To: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de (Arne Woerner) > >> > >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:07:46 -0400 (EDT) > >> > >X-no-archive: yes > >> > >From: CyberPeasant <djv@bedford.net> > >> > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> > > > >> > >Arne Woerner wrote: > >> > >> From djv Sat Jun 27 05:23:43 1998 > >> > >> From: Arne Woerner <arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de> > >> > >> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:12:36 +0200 (MET DST) > >> > >> Message-Id: <199806270812.KAA13762@azurix.rz.tu-clausthal.de> > >> > >> To: julian@whistle.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >> > >> Cc: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de > >> > >> Subject: Re: http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html > >> > >> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >> > >> X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> > > > >> > >> i sent my complaint to the Nacamar Corp. which is responsible for the > > host > >> > >> www.de.freebsd.org . > >> > >> > >> > >> i have nothing to do with this case anymore. so do not send any email > >> > >> to > > me. > >> > >> > >> > >> -woerner > >> > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >-- > >> > >http://www.microsoft.com/security: `Microsoft Windows NT Server is the > > most > >> > > secure network operating system available.' > >> > >Don Quixote: `You are mistaken, Sancho.' > >> > > > >> > >From listread@lucy.bedford.net Sat Jun 27 13:08:27 1998 > >> > >Subject: Auto Response > >> > >To: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de (Arne Woerner) > >> > >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:04:46 -0400 (EDT) > >> > >X-no-archive: yes > >> > >From: CyberPeasant <djv@bedford.net> > >> > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >This is an automated response. > >> > > > >> > >Email sent to my address contained sufficient trigger-words to suggest > >> > >that it contains child pornography or other undesirable and/or other > >> > >illegal material. > >> > > > >> > >If such mails persist, legal action will be taken. > >> > > > >> > > -------------------TEXT OF OFFENDING > > MAIL------------------------------------- > >> > >> From djv Sat Jun 27 06:03:43 1998 > >> > >> From: Arne Woerner <arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de> > >> > >> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:10:56 +0200 (MET DST) > >> > >> Message-Id: <199806270910.LAA13980@azurix.rz.tu-clausthal.de> > >> > >> To: grog@lemis.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, webmaster@freebsd.de, > >> > >> wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de > >> > >> Cc: arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de > >> > >> Subject: Re: http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html > >> > >> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >> > >> X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> > > > >> > >> >From grog@freebie.lemis.com Sat Jun 27 10:53:50 1998 > >> > >> >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:23:32 +0930 > >> > >> >From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> > >> > >> >To: Arne Woerner <arne.woerner@tu-clausthal.de>, questions@freebsd.org > >> > >> >Subject: Re: http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html > >> > >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >> > >> >WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog > >> > >> >Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 > >> > >> >Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 > >> > >> >Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 > >> > >> > > >> > >> >On Saturday, 27 June 1998 at 9:22:36 +0200, Arne Woerner wrote: > >> > >> >> thank you for your funny excuses. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Is this intended to be a reply to my previous message? If so, you > >> > >> >should say so. It's also common practice to quote previous > >> > >> >correspondence and reply to the person who wrote the message as well > >> > >> >as the list. See http://www.lemis.com/email.html for more details. > >> > >> hmm! > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> its necessary to check _all_ links. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >OK. When you've done it, tell us about it. > >> > >> i do not offer those pages. so i am not responsible for them. so i will > >> > >> not check all links. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> the link i found suspicious is > >> > >> >> <LI><A HREF="http://www.freexxxvideo.com">; > >> > >> >> <STRONG>All Free XXX Videos</STRONG> > >> > >> >> </A> -- Adult Entertainment - More than 100 free streaming > > video clips. > >> > >> >> </LI> > >> > >> >> suspicous are the following strings: > >> > >> >> XXX > >> > >> >> Adult Entertainment > >> > >> >> Videos > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Well, they're probably not in the best of taste, but I'd suspect that > >> > >> >the Webmaster could also have discerned the nature of the link when he > >> > >> >added it. > >> > >> you allow untrusted persons to add things to your webpages??? > >> > >> > > >> > >> >In your first message you say: > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> with high pssibility you have a link to a website which offers > >> > >> >> child-endangering material on your webpage > >> > >> >> http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html . > >> > >> > > >> > >> >You mention *one* link. You say "child-endangering". Please explain. > >> > >> yes! 'a link' means 'at least one link'. i am sure that there exists a > >> > >> valid law which protects children from watching pictures of naked > > persons. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> i think the reference is away in 24 hours? > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Well, do you or don't you? You'll have to ask yourself that > >> > >> >question. I don't expect they'll go that fast. > >> > >> i dont know. it is not my case anymore. i do not want to discuss this > > case > >> > >> anymore. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >From a legal standpoint, I believe these sites are legal. There is no > >> > >> >bestiality, there is no underage sex. If you still want to get it > >> > >> >changed, I'd suggest you contact the Webmaster rather than the > >> > >> >technical questions list. He's Wolfram Schneider > >> > >> ><wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de>, as you could have found with a more > >> > >> >perfunctory search of the web pages than you appear to have performed. > >> > >> beatiality and underage sex would be even worse than child-endangering. > >> > >> i do not know the contents of those sites. i said that there is a high > >> > >> possibility that those contents are child-endangering. sorry for my bad > >> > >> english but its not my native language. > >> > >> at the bottom of the page i saw the email address > >> > >> questions@freebsd.org > >> > >> and i thought this would be the address for mails regarding that page. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Greg > >> > >> >-- > >> > >> >See complete headers for address and phone numbers > >> > >> >finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > >>-- End of excerpt from spork > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: Malte Lance <malte@webmore.com> > Date: 28-Jun-98 > Time: 12:10:28 > ---------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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