Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:55:37 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu> To: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> Cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, peterjeremy@optushome.com.au, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>, cvs-all@freebsd.org, yar@comp.chem.msu.su, eischen@vigrid.com, kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu, "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/gen fts-compat.c fts-compat.h Message-ID: <20070829205537.GB977@funkthat.com> In-Reply-To: <200708271530.45290.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0708251703550.19091@sea.ntplx.net> <20070827.085906.-332187760.imp@bsdimp.com> <20070827185741.GX87451@elvis.mu.org> <200708271530.45290.jhb@freebsd.org>
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John Baldwin wrote this message on Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 15:30 -0400:
> On Monday 27 August 2007 02:57:41 pm Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > Sorry for top posting, but...
> >
> > I agree very strongly with Warner, in short, if possible, reducing the
> > number of major gotchas of running current will make our developer
> > and early adopters a lot happier.
> >
> > It will help FreeBSD.
> >
> > One of the things that turns me off to FreeBSD is the feeling that
> > I get that certain people take some kind of pride in forcing users
> > to go through dangerous and complex hoops in order to run current.
> >
> > It shouldn't be so if the overhead of making it easier is so small.
>
> It has zero to do with pride, but it does have a lot to do with allowing HEAD
> to be a branch for development as opposed to the stable branches that are
> more intended with deployment. Those are quite different feature sets.
Isn't that what perforce is for?
Also, we NEED users to be running -current... How many times has a release
happened and people complained that it didn't get the testing it needed
to find bug xyz? If we take the attitude that only developers should
be running -current we'll continue w/ unhappy -stable releases like we
have in the past...
Not that Kris doesn't do a great job finding bugs, but other people
are good at finding bugs too, and we shouldn't lock them out...
--
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"All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."
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