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Date:      Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:23:24 -0500 (EST)
From:      Bill Pechter <pechter@shell.monmouth.com>
To:        hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        tlambert@primenet.com
Subject:   Net/2 license and CD
Message-ID:  <199902211724.MAA37204@shell.monmouth.com>
In-Reply-To: <bulk.12933.19990220161129@hub.freebsd.org> from freebsd-hackers-digest at "Feb 20, 1999  4:11:29 pm"

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Actually, you can get Net/2, but it requires a license from SCO which
is $100 for non-commercial hobbiest use only (or the Western Electric
AT&T license for V7/32V/SysIII/SysV).

I believe Kirk is selling a Lite set, but that the PUPS folks
are making Net/2 available if you have the correct Western Electric or
SCO source license. 

The PUPS folks have an available archive with the sources for a lot of early
UNIX (TM) 8-) varieties... V5, V6, V7, 32V (I think) and the BSD's...

Check the PUPS archive for more information on the licenses.

http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/  PDP Unix Presevation Society home page.

Bill

> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:05:38 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
> Subject: Re: Searching an "old" BSD stdio
> 
> > Doesn't Kirk McKusick sell a complete BSD sources set on CDROM?  I'd
> > check the web page, but it appears to be inaccessible to me at the
> > moment.  I seem to recall that he required you obtain some kind of a
> > license from SCO first, though...
> 
> The settlement agreement between UCB and USL, the terms of which
> are not permitted to be disclosed, made the Net and Net/2
> distribution supposedly "illegal".  Since you can't revoke a
> license granted in perpetuity (which is why Apple still has a
> valid license for the UCSD P system that they used to implement
> the original "QuickDraw"), DEC has declined to remove it from
> their gatekeeper.dec.com archive, as have hundreds of other
> licensees (even some institutions with more money than Bill Gates).
> 
> Net was BSD 4.2, and Net/2 was BSD 4.3.
> 
> I believe Kirk sells the 4.4-Lite2 CDROMs.  If he sells others, it's
> only with proof of a Western Electric or later UNIX source license,
> to keep himself out of hot water.
> 
> The specific requirement of the original poster was a BSD 4.2
> stdio that could be linked against, presumably because of either
> promisucous reference to the implementation details of stdio, which
> have subsequently changed, or because a preexisting object file
> for which source is not available.
> 
> If it's an object file, I'm pretty sure that they're screwed,
> unless they can contact the vendor of the box for the code; the
> stdio subsystem is one that every company thought they could
> "make better".
> 
> If it's source, it'll probably have to be rewritten.
> 
> 
> 					Terry Lambert
> 					terry@lambert.org



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