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Date:      Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:37:27 -0800 (PST)
From:      David Wolfskill <dhw@whistle.com>
To:        freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: Tape Library 2
Message-ID:  <199811241637.IAA08141@pau-amma.whistle.com>
In-Reply-To: <813A3F0E2D02D211884900A0C966731E4190F1@exchsrvr.inficad.com>

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>From: Joey Miller <joeym@inficad.com>
>Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:26:15 -0700

>It depends on your needs.

Standard answer #0....  :-)

>I just finished building the backup routine
>here, and the main stumbling block I ran into was tape speed and
>capacity.  And this is with new 8mm AIT (25gb native, 50gb theoretical
>compressed).  The drive only writes tapes at about 3MB/s (6MB/s
>compressed), and takes almost an entire day just to dump 4 days of
>backups to tape (about 50-60 gig).

That seems a little odd to me -- as in taking rather more time than I
would expect.

I'm using amanda; the tape hardware is a DLT 4000 (1.5 MB/sec raw).  I
have things configured so that I'm doing a full dump of each filesystem
on the Engineering net every other day (and a level 1 on the off-days).
At the moment, I'm only dealing with UNIX boxen (fortunately); the
amount of data being backed up is about 42 GB (going by the last couple
of days' reports, using the size before I do any compression).

The total amount of time (for the combination of the 2 days) is:

Dump time:		8:45 (hr:min)
Output Size:		22356 MB
Original Size:		43800 MB
Avg. Dump Rate:		230 KB/sec
Avg. Tape Write Rate:	1250 KB/sec


Now, one of the key things amanda does to accomplish this is -- whenever
possible -- write the "dump" images to disk, then (asynchronously) spool
them off of disk and onto tape.  This permits multiple dumps to occur at
the same time; it also makes it easier to keep the tape streaming.
(Reason the tape is as slow as it is for me, I believe, is that I have
yet to figure out how to force the tape drive to stop trying to
re-compress already-compressed data.  Haven't had the time to order the
manual from Quantum & delve into the SCSI internals.)

>Almost all of my experience with autoloaders and DAT in general have
>been bad, btw.

And I use DDS drives at home, with a 4-cartridge autoloader; no
problems.  (That's on a Sun SPARCstation 5, using a home-grown Perl
script.  amanda wants to write beginning at the beginning of a tape for
each execution, and I don't have enough media for that.  As it is, 4
cartridges is just about enough to handle 4 weeks' worth of full backups
each Sunday, with incrementals back to the most recent full on each of
the other days of the week.  Using amanda, with a similar level of
coverage, 4 cartridges would only be adequate for 4 days, rather than 4
weeks.)

One thing that I find slightly annoying, but (again) I haven't had the
time to work on it (enough):  while the Solaris 2 "mt status" command
reports the current file where the tape head is, the FreeBSD command does
not.  My home-grown Perl script uses "mt status" rather liberally to track
the current actual position of the tape, and reports the information.  It
is my fantasy that this would make recovery rather less painful than it
might otherwise be.  :-}

david
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David Wolfskill		UNIX System Administrator
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