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Date:      Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:11:09 -1000
From:      David Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>
To:        Dimitry Andric <dim@freebsd.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: HST time zone
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On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:01 AM Dimitry Andric <dim@freebsd.org> wrote:

> On 25 Jul 2023, at 22:26, David Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com> wrote:
> >
> > One thing that has bothered me for a long time is that the
> Pacific/Honolulu timezone is found under the America -- North and
> South/United States of America/Hawaii in tzsetup. Politics of Hawaiian
> Sovereignty aside, every other system I regularly install uses
> Pacific/Honolulu as it is in the official tzdb.
> >
> > Is there any reason why a patch to change to match the standard would be
> refused?
>
> Which version of FreeBSD are you using? On my 14-CURRENT box, Hawaii is
> actually found in *two* locations in tzsetup:
>
> * America -- North and South -> United States of America -> Hawaii
> * Pacific Ocean -> United States of America -> Hawaii
>

It just seems that the "standard" is Pacific/Honolulu and we are different
- in the IANA tz db, there is only mention of Pacific/Honolulu. While I'm
not saying they're correct, every Linux dist I've tried uses it. I have a
mixed shop, and every difference is a potential problem.

I doubt that this affects many people, so consistency would not seem a
hardship.

So that would serve all sides? :)
>
> As far as I can see, the menu is dynamically generated from
> /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone1970.tab, which has:
>
> US      +211825-1575130 Pacific/Honolulu        Hawaii
>
> and seems to be up-to-date with regards to the IANA tz files.
>
> -Dimitry
>
>

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:01 AM Dimitry Andric &lt;<a href="mailto:dim@freebsd.org">dim@freebsd.org</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 25 Jul 2023, at 22:26, David Cornejo &lt;<a href="mailto:dave@dogwood.com" target="_blank">dave@dogwood.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; One thing that has bothered me for a long time is that the Pacific/Honolulu timezone is found under the America -- North and South/United States of America/Hawaii in tzsetup. Politics of Hawaiian Sovereignty aside, every other system I regularly install uses Pacific/Honolulu as it is in the official tzdb.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Is there any reason why a patch to change to match the standard would be refused?<br>
<br>
Which version of FreeBSD are you using? On my 14-CURRENT box, Hawaii is actually found in *two* locations in tzsetup:<br>
<br>
* America -- North and South -&gt; United States of America -&gt; Hawaii<br>
* Pacific Ocean -&gt; United States of America -&gt; Hawaii<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">It just seems that the &quot;standard&quot; is Pacific/Honolulu and we are different - in the IANA tz db, there is only mention of Pacific/Honolulu. While I&#39;m not saying they&#39;re correct, every Linux dist I&#39;ve tried uses it. I have a mixed shop, and every difference is a potential problem.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I doubt that this affects many people, so consistency would not seem a hardship.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">So that would serve all sides? :)<br>
<br>
As far as I can see, the menu is dynamically generated from /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone1970.tab, which has:<br>
<br>
US      +211825-1575130 Pacific/Honolulu        Hawaii<br>
<br>
and seems to be up-to-date with regards to the IANA tz files.<br>
<br>
-Dimitry<br>
<br>
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