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Date:      Sun, 11 May 1997 12:31:27 +0900
From:      Ramakant <ramakant@novanet.net.au>
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
Cc:        freebsd-bugs@hub.freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Message-ID:  <33753D8F.4505@novanet.net.au>
References:  <21208.863300501@time.cdrom.com>

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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> 
> > UNSUBSCRIBE
> 
> If you're receiving this message, it's because you recently sent an
> "unsubscribe" request to one of the lists, perhaps thinking that you
> were reaching an automated system instead of the multiple-thousands
> of people who are now seeing your "unsubscribe" in their mailboxes
> and thinking "Geeze, what a complete idiot!"  Perhaps some of them
> are even now sending you email telling you this in more detail. :-)
> 
There are several subscribers like me out there (I'm sure) whao are
saying - "look at these snobs expecting people to follow complicated
rules, can't they write a user-friendly Majrodomo that traps all such
messages and does the needful, instead of sending such condescending
smartass replies to subscribers ?"

> This message attempts to clear some of that up for you so you don't
> make the same mistake again.
> 
> First off, just about all mailing lists on the internet support the
> -request naming standard, meaning that if the mailing list you wish to
> get off of (or make some comment to the administrators about) is named
> "taco-lovers" then the administrative alias will be called
> "taco-lovers-request".  You do NOT send your messages to taco-lovers,
> since that's only going to get to the fans of that most tasty mexican
> dish, not the person (or program) who actually maintains the list and
> can do something about your request.
I did just that and discovered that I'm expected to email Majordomo@....
saying unsusbcribe <list_name>. I wonder how many iterations still
remain to get myself unsubscribed from this list.


> 
> Second, for those who plead ignorance of all this, let me just point
> out that you *were* sent a welcome message when you joined the FreeBSD
> mailing lists telling you to send ALL administrative requests to
> majordomo@freebsd.org (the *-request aliases for our lists just point
> to this one).  Our mailing list software is fully automated, and it's
> up to the users to add and remove themselves as they see fit - no
> FreeBSD personnel are involved in this!  If you just threw this
> welcome message away and didn't read it, you have only yourself to
> blame for the flames which may now be filling your mailbox.
> 


> If you have tried repeatedly with majordomo to remove yourself and
> it's not working, you still don't want to send a message to the list
> since the users can't help you - send mail in such cases to
> postmaster@freebsd.org and the FreeBSD postmaster will manually
> intervene to figure out why you're having problems with majordomo (and
> try majordomo FIRST!  Our postmaster is very overworked!).
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>                                         Jordan


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