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Date:      Sun, 26 May 2002 15:00:54 -0400 (EDT)
From:      pgreen <polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org>
To:        Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@online.fr>
Cc:        Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, rob <rob@pythonemproject.com>, "chat@freebsd.org" <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Bottom-quoting (was Re: My friends were amazed at FreeBSD...)
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0205261500350.27602-100000@m-net.arbornet.org>
In-Reply-To: <20020526183504.GA472@lpt.ens.fr>

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On Sun, 26 May 2002, Rahul Siddharthan wrote:

> > > My remark, about the mail client not letting you delete lines, was
> > > not meant to be serious -- I certainly hope such a thing doesn't
> > > exist.  Selective and appropriate quoting is the best of all, but
> > > bottom quoting is not so bad; I've seen JKH and Linus Torvalds do
> > > it, among other celebrities, and it's pretty standard in the "real
> > > world".   
> > 
> > If by "real world", you mean "clueless computer users", I'd agree
> > with that.
> 
> Since you hang around the -current and -hackers lists, I imagine
> you've seen several such "clueless computer users" there.  Some of
> whom are significant contributors to the project.  Now I'm scared for
> the future of FreeBSD.
> 
> You haven't said why it's wrong to bottom-quote (apart from the
> bandwidth issue).  You claim that it's as "annoying" as top-quoting an
> entire post, which is strange, since if it's bottom-quoted you're not
> forced to look at it.
> 
> If we're talking annoyance factors, one can pick out several in
> anyone's style.  Here are some in yours.
> 
> Mike Meyer said on May 26, 2002 at 13:19:18:
> > In <20020526173949.GA230@lpt.ens.fr>, Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@online.fr> typed:
> 
> Is it really necessary to quote the message ID, sender's name *and*
> sender's address in the attribution line, thus causing it to overflow
> the margin?  What happened to the "keep to 72 characters" rule?
> 
> > > > > Maybe you need another haircut :) or your mails do, they're too long
> > > > > on top.  There is no earthly reason to quote an entire mail on top of
> > > > > each of your mails.  If your mail client doesn't allow you to delete
> > > > > lines[1], maybe you could bottom quote instead.  Some people don't
> > > > > like it, but it's better than forcing your readers to wade through
> > > > > lines and lines of irrelevant stuff which they've read already, before
> > > > > getting to your point...
> > > > If your mail reader is that broken, don't quote. All the stuff that's
> > > > been read before is irrelevant whether it's on the top or the bottom.
> > > If you receive more that around 20 emails a day, *some* form of
> > > quoting is essential, otherwise keeping track will be impossible.
> 
> How about adding a few spaces between those lines, to distinguish
> paragraphs more clearly?  A carriage-return character wouldn't consume
> significant bandwidth and it would make the whole thing much more
> readable. 
> 
> - Rahul
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