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Date:      Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:54:05 +0200
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
To:        Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au>
Cc:        Darren Reed <avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au>, des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav), security@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Module magic 
Message-ID:  <19298.931787645@critter.freebsd.dk>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:58:57 %2B0800." <19990712085857.2B14C8A@overcee.netplex.com.au> 

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In message <19990712085857.2B14C8A@overcee.netplex.com.au>, Peter Wemm writes:
>Darren Reed wrote:
>> In some mail from Dag-Erling Smorgrav, sie said:
>> > 
>> > Thought this'd be of interest to this list:
>> > 
>> > http://thc.pimmel.com/files/thc/bsdkern.html
>> 
>> So what ?
>> 
>> Nothing in that document is "new" although it might be the
>> first time it's been documented for script-kiddies.
>
>Yeah, the main worrying thing about it is the hard coding of internal data
>structures and bypassing of proper interfaces.  I'm half thinking about
>doing a couple of arbitary rearrangements of some internal (opaque) data
>structures to make their life a bit more exciting.  I'd rather a box panic
>and burn if a script kiddie gets in and tries to use some of these
>``techniques'' than have it run whatever they like undetected.  This will
>be totally harmless to the existing modules since the data structures are
>not used outside kern_*.c.

Hmm, here's a thought:  We have many structures where the order of
elements isn't that important, so somebody write a perl script which
looks for some magic marking (or reads a config file) for which
fields are legal game, and rearranges them in /sys/sys before
each recompile of the kernel 

.1 * :-)


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Poul-Henning Kamp             FreeBSD coreteam member
phk@FreeBSD.ORG               "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."
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