Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Du Gaue <rdugaue@calweb.com> To: Joe Greco <jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Cc: Alan Batie <batie@agora.rdrop.com>, andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: News provider feeback Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.93.960819090529.17510G-100000@web1.calweb.com> In-Reply-To: <199608191344.IAA19089@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
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> I think they did that long ago. Still, I would think that at some point,
> it will necessarily crap out in terms of available bandwidth (I don't
> suppose they are doing alt.binaries.* even now), and they will either have
Why assume that??? They are doing all the standard groups including Alt.
We had them on the slow speed feed and they were about 2 days behind with
constant data *and* carried the alt.binaries.* as well, It was Planet
Connect that did not carry those groups. With the upgrade to the
high-speed service the Satelite has some 'resting time' which is why the
data comes in bursts every 20-40 seconds and even then the burst is about
3 seconds or so, plenty of room to carry more. Here's a distribution of
the 'lag' for 100,000+ messages received by our news server from a varity
of sources. Pagesat clearly sends us the majority:
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:01:54 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <199608192301.QAA24386@news.calweb.com>
To: rdugaue@calweb.com
Subject: News results
Status: RO
X-Status:
Currently, overall, pagesat is providing 2/3'ds of our news, with
an average lag of 6.42 hours from the time the message is posted to
the time we see it here. This sample is over the last 100,000 messages.
Totals and heirarchies for any group that has a significant number
of articles is actually shown below. Many 'ignorable' groups
are not listed based on the quantity seen in the last 100,000 messages.
Newsgroup Name/Site Lag # of msg.
-TOTAL 10.067h 99795
-TOTAL via jolt.pagesat.net 6.420h 61863
-TOTAL via missing 6.995h 975
-TOTAL via news.campus.mci.net 12.095h 31580
-TOTAL via news.crocker.com 44.581h 1035
-TOTAL via news.quiknet.com 40.251h 4257
ab 7.215h 88
abg 12.506h 58
alt 10.503h 32363
alt via jolt.pagesat.net 7.086h 20479
alt via missing 7.721h 695
alt via news.campus.mci.net 13.056h 9193
alt via news.crocker.com 41.049h 589
alt via news.quiknet.com 32.513h 1370
atl 5.584h 91
atl via jolt.pagesat.net 2.415h 70
aus 4.750h 734
aus via jolt.pagesat.net 3.625h 461
aus via news.campus.mci.net 4.781h 253
austin 7.353h 119
austin via jolt.pagesat.net 5.987h 95
ba 8.338h 1070
ba via jolt.pagesat.net 5.837h 642
ba via news.campus.mci.net 9.652h 313
ba via news.quiknet.com 18.585h 99
bc 9.922h 61
be 5.125h 56
be via jolt.pagesat.net 5.068h 52
bionet 2.787h 114
bionet via jolt.pagesat.net 2.870h 93
bit 23.058h 2045
bit via jolt.pagesat.net 17.551h 1100
bit via news.campus.mci.net 28.238h 882
bit via news.quiknet.com 48.692h 60
biz 5.855h 753
biz via jolt.pagesat.net 4.374h 606
biz via news.campus.mci.net 8.676h 122
bln 10.515h 59
c20 36.259h 56
c20 via jolt.pagesat.net 32.694h 52
ca 11.275h 77
can 8.127h 202
can via jolt.pagesat.net 7.500h 141
can via news.campus.mci.net 5.831h 56
chi 3.767h 81
chi via jolt.pagesat.net 2.902h 62
chile 6.281h 61
chile via jolt.pagesat.net 6.150h 60
chinese 4.135h 209
chinese via jolt.pagesat.net 2.550h 140
chinese via news.campus.mci.net 0.812h 51
cl 29.429h 105
cl via jolt.pagesat.net 22.950h 64
cna 5.230h 241
cna via jolt.pagesat.net 4.519h 162
cna via news.campus.mci.net 2.197h 61
comp 8.281h 8258
comp via jolt.pagesat.net 4.904h 4818
comp via news.campus.mci.net 9.855h 3119
comp via news.crocker.com 71.401h 104
comp via news.quiknet.com 36.577h 174
control 7.967h 4291
control via jolt.pagesat.net 5.448h 2973
control via news.campus.mci.net 10.731h 1121
control via news.quiknet.com 29.700h 140
csie 5.231h 65
dc 7.070h 149
dc via jolt.pagesat.net 5.707h 114
de 31.654h 1225
de via jolt.pagesat.net 9.203h 78
de via news.campus.mci.net 30.652h 989
de via news.quiknet.com 49.009h 158
demon 13.019h 366
demon via jolt.pagesat.net 8.421h 335
dfw 7.501h 130
dfw via jolt.pagesat.net 4.798h 102
dk 5.568h 95
dk via jolt.pagesat.net 4.916h 81
es 8.799h 56
fj 11.857h 437
fj via news.campus.mci.net 6.080h 345
fj via news.quiknet.com 34.541h 89
fl 4.830h 91
fl via jolt.pagesat.net 3.776h 63
fr 13.906h 203
fr via news.campus.mci.net 9.170h 162
han 2.355h 151
han via jolt.pagesat.net 0.603h 131
hawaii 14.204h 113
hawaii via jolt.pagesat.net 14.133h 71
hk 2.217h 370
hk via jolt.pagesat.net 1.539h 283
hk via news.campus.mci.net 0.279h 53
houston 6.957h 110
houston via jolt.pagesat.net 6.451h 87
it 12.746h 298
it via jolt.pagesat.net 12.524h 246
k12 9.078h 199
k12 via jolt.pagesat.net 5.331h 123
k12 via news.campus.mci.net 14.586h 66
la 7.475h 90
la via jolt.pagesat.net 4.324h 66
linux 6.983h 117
linux via jolt.pagesat.net 6.765h 80
maus 28.523h 744
maus via jolt.pagesat.net 26.052h 589
maus via news.campus.mci.net 25.732h 106
microsoft 65.547h 745
microsoft via jolt.pagesat.net 12.885h 257
microsoft via news.campus.mci.net 64.165h 150
microsoft via news.quiknet.com 106.386h 328
misc 4.798h 3996
misc via jolt.pagesat.net 3.851h 2885
misc via news.campus.mci.net 5.419h 1018
mtl 12.582h 50
muc 25.218h 131
muc via jolt.pagesat.net 14.363h 82
ncar 7.007h 294
ncar via jolt.pagesat.net 4.927h 219
ncar via news.campus.mci.net 2.434h 62
nctu 5.712h 121
nctu via jolt.pagesat.net 5.223h 81
ne 4.223h 184
ne via jolt.pagesat.net 3.874h 140
news 5.275h 702
news via jolt.pagesat.net 4.827h 379
news via news.campus.mci.net 5.021h 296
nl 6.925h 460
nl via jolt.pagesat.net 6.122h 377
nl via news.campus.mci.net 8.484h 76
no 13.440h 121
no via news.campus.mci.net 2.805h 72
nyc 11.362h 76
nyc via jolt.pagesat.net 8.042h 54
nz 7.383h 149
nz via jolt.pagesat.net 6.466h 101
ont 6.663h 51
ott 7.540h 168
ott via jolt.pagesat.net 5.270h 125
pgh 5.235h 57
phl 10.411h 59
pl 3.150h 338
pl via jolt.pagesat.net 4.311h 212
pl via news.campus.mci.net 1.197h 126
prg 6.381h 75
prg via jolt.pagesat.net 4.009h 64
pt 5.957h 120
pt via jolt.pagesat.net 5.022h 95
rec 5.999h 16333
rec via jolt.pagesat.net 5.093h 9431
rec via news.campus.mci.net 5.666h 6325
rec via news.crocker.com 42.215h 159
rec via news.quiknet.com 19.226h 371
relcom 15.891h 804
relcom via jolt.pagesat.net 5.533h 87
relcom via news.campus.mci.net 4.996h 502
relcom via news.quiknet.com 45.524h 215
saar 20.656h 69
sci 7.548h 1326
sci via jolt.pagesat.net 4.867h 718
sci via news.campus.mci.net 10.002h 565
seattle 7.708h 93
seattle via jolt.pagesat.net 7.127h 74
sfnet 4.900h 616
sfnet via jolt.pagesat.net 4.848h 449
sfnet via news.campus.mci.net 1.901h 156
sg 8.039h 103
sg via jolt.pagesat.net 2.339h 70
soc 20.820h 3980
soc via jolt.pagesat.net 6.553h 2066
soc via news.campus.mci.net 36.203h 1835
soc via news.quiknet.com 34.208h 54
swnet 10.290h 289
swnet via jolt.pagesat.net 10.592h 221
swnet via news.campus.mci.net 8.317h 60
talk 6.316h 754
talk via jolt.pagesat.net 5.649h 474
talk via news.campus.mci.net 5.841h 258
tor 10.319h 110
tor via jolt.pagesat.net 7.852h 86
triangle 4.190h 132
triangle via jolt.pagesat.net 2.597h 102
tw 4.814h 6444
tw via jolt.pagesat.net 4.284h 4761
tw via missing 4.523h 83
tw via news.campus.mci.net 2.345h 1288
tw via news.quiknet.com 23.239h 311
tx 4.490h 185
tx via jolt.pagesat.net 2.659h 155
uiuc 5.925h 82
uiuc via jolt.pagesat.net 4.805h 66
uk 11.324h 639
uk via jolt.pagesat.net 3.951h 117
uk via news.campus.mci.net 7.983h 462
uk via news.quiknet.com 52.197h 57
ukr 8.464h 297
ukr via jolt.pagesat.net 6.731h 231
ukr via news.campus.mci.net 11.033h 62
us 9.575h 215
us via jolt.pagesat.net 5.124h 161
van 7.851h 62
van via jolt.pagesat.net 7.910h 58
z-netz 28.492h 532
z-netz via jolt.pagesat.net 23.944h 390
z-netz via news.campus.mci.net 24.207h 74
z-netz via news.quiknet.com 60.092h 67
za 0.477h 58
All in all I'd give their service between a 7-8.5 for message reliablity
and delivery. If you have a slow feed to the 'net though this service is
well worth it since it frees up alot of bandwidth that would otherwise be
riding on your T1.
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