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Date:      Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:41:19 +0200
From:      Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai@bart.nl>
To:        Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami <asami@freebsd.org>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>, Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org>, "David E. O'Brien" <obrien@freebsd.org>, cvs-committers@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/contrib/tcsh - Imported sources
Message-ID:  <20000416024118.A71475@lucifer.bart.nl>
In-Reply-To: <20000415231805.33B311CD7@overcee.netplex.com.au>; from peter@netplex.com.au on Sat, Apr 15, 2000 at 04:18:05PM -0700
References:  <imp@village.org> <20000415231805.33B311CD7@overcee.netplex.com.au>

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-On [20000416 01:20], Peter Wemm (peter@netplex.com.au) wrote:
>IMHO, the way to keep most people happy (or least unhappy :-]) is to finish
>the tcsh thing, and change root's shell to /bin/sh and probably change the
>default new-user shell to sh as well if it isn't already.

Why sport csh or tcsh in the first place?

What is the gain versus having it in ports?

As I said before, csh/tcsh is not the standard shell needed for
POSIX/SUS(v2) compliance.
Scriptwriters should not depend on its presence, they should be writing
for /bin/sh instead.

>I know a lot of people stopped reading the thread fairly early on.  Please
>refrain from commenting unless you go back and read the thread to
>completion - lets not have the same things argued about all over again.
>(This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just a general request).

I read the whole thread, and posted a summary of it to -arch.

Like I said to David, I have yet to hear a good (counter)argument to the
points I present to support csh or tcsh or any other shell than sh in
the base system.

This subject is religious and the only way I can envision to quiet
everyone once and for all, is to just remove (t)csh and keep sh in the
base.

-- 
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven          Network- and systemadministrator
<asmodai@bart.nl>                      VIA NET.WORKS The Netherlands
BSD: Technical excellence at its best  http://www.bart.nl
Fame is the perfume of heroic deeds...




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