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Date:      Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:18:44 +1030 (CST)
From:      Greg Lewis <glewis@trc.adelaide.edu.au>
To:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
Cc:        Ernst de Haan <ernst@jollem.com>, "Koster, K.J." <K.J.Koster@kpn.com>, FreeBSD Java mailing list <freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Visual bugs in native JDK (Was: Linux jdk & multicast)
Message-ID:  <200012150048.LAA01310@ares.trc.adelaide.edu.au>
In-Reply-To: <14905.26369.224419.123600@nomad.yogotech.com> from Nate Williams at "Dec 14, 2000 05:34:09 pm"

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Nate Williams wrote:
> > > Good option, as long as you are not using Swing or AWT. There are still
> > > visual bugs. Text-only applications should work very well.
> > 
> 
> > What exactly *are* these bugs. I know that everything looks much
> > bigger on the native 1.2.2b10, but what else? If we make a list of
> > these things, then we can perhaps deal with them one by one :)
> 
> It's my opinion that the use of OpenMotif (or any Motif 2.X) for
> JDK1.2.2 will cause you problems, because the JDK was designed for Motif
> 1.2.  This has been fixed in JDK1.3, but earlier releases depend on some
> features of Motif 1.2 that cause 'weird' behavior with newer versions of
> Motif.

Nate has hit the nail on the head of course.  However, this doesn't mean
that the visual "problems" can't be documented so that people know what
to expect.  This also means that people with different versions of Motif
(OpenMotif, Lesstif, commercial Motif 1.2 implementations) can test
against this list and possibly pick up is something is actually a bug
rather than an OpenMotif feature.

Whats needed is naturally someone to create and maintain such a list and
also people prepared to test things with the different Motif versions.

Personally, I find that the visual problems aren't really an issue, but
YMMV.

						- Greg


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