Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:10:55 +1000 From: Joe Shevland <joe.shevland@gmail.com> To: Willem Jan Withagen <wjw@digiware.nl> Cc: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Andriy Gapon <avg@icyb.net.ua>, Jeremy Chadwick <freebsd@jdc.parodius.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD 6.4 and 8.0 EoLs coming soon Message-ID: <4C98E71F.4040800@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4C98B7E7.1020403@digiware.nl> References: <201009011653.o81Grkm4056064@fire.js.berklix.net> <201009011902.06538.hselasky@c2i.net> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1009051144190.47367@fledge.watson.org> <slrni8c5gj.1eap.vadim_nuclight@kernblitz.nuclight.avtf.net> <4C8627A6.1090308@icyb.net.ua> <opviol28ky17d6mn@nuclight> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1009191922570.86826@fledge.watson.org> <slrni9h4nt.27na.vadim_nuclight@kernblitz.nuclight.avtf.net> <4C989989.4050408@icyb.net.ua> <4C98AC42.1040104@digiware.nl> <20100921131610.GA58719@icarus.home.lan> <4C98B7E7.1020403@digiware.nl>
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On 21/09/2010 11:49 PM, Willem Jan Withagen wrote:
> On 2010-09-21 15:16, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 02:59:46PM +0200, Willem Jan Withagen wrote:
>>> On 2010-09-21 13:39, {some mysterious person :-)} wrote:
>>>>> The Project is ultimately about the users, right? There are early
>>>>> signs that
>>>>> some old FreeBSD users get tired from those changes, those
>>>>> removals, lesser
>>>>> POLA adherence, marketing-not-technical-stuff for
>>>>> time-not-feature-based
>>>>> releases, not so stable -STABLE as it used to be, and so on,
>>>>> migrating to
>>>>> other systems. And older users are more valuable to project than
>>>>> newer ones.
>>>>> May be it's time to revert to some of thet Old Good Things, if
>>>>> decade-long
>>>>> project is mostly ended, while those signs are still early and not
>>>>> a strong
>>>>> tendency?.. Given this thread, I've mentioned earlier about 12
>>>>> messages in
>>>>> announce@ from 2002 with such public calls for volunteers - there
>>>>> are several
>>>>> years already without these.
>>
>> Andriy wasn't the one who wrote this. In fact, I'm not sure who the
>> quote actually came from because I never received the Email it came
>> from, but I'm under the impression it's from Vadim. My mail spool:
>
> My bad for not checking the included reference.
> I was also very much under the impression that that quote was Vadim's,
> since it was in completeline with his previous complaints/rants/whining.
>
> And yes, your are smart to stay out of the discussion. But this old
> fart just had too much urge to react. So now I'll just go back to my
> old lurking state.
My thoughts are below - remembering its a volunteer project, people
spend their precious time to make it happen, and
noneofthatwisthandingitsstilldamngood:
a) if you don't like it, fix it.
b) if you can't fix it, pay someone else to fix it
c) if you can't fix it or otherwise be helpful, remain silent
If you can't do a or b or c, and still have no options, below:
d) whinging never helps
e) those that whinge on volunteer projects are subject to the emperors wrath
f) kill the heretic, the witch, the unbeliever. Recover the gene-seed at
all costs.
Cheers
Joe
>
> --WjW
>
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