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Date:      Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:50:53 -0400
From:      Bill Moran <wmoran@iowna.com>
To:        tlambert2@mindspring.com
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral
Message-ID:  <3B4B407D.CD189F6C@iowna.com>
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Terry Lambert wrote:
> Bill Moran wrote:
> > Now, I've never used partition magic, but I (personally)
> > find the FreeBSD partition program in sysinstall to be the
> > easiest one I've ever used. What should be changed to make
> > it easier?
> 
> 1)      Buy a new laptop
> 2)      Make the Windows partition smaller
> 3)      Install FreeBSD

Touche ... considering the last time I installed FreeBSD on a
laptop, the procedure was:
1) Boot from FreeBSD CD
2) Delete existing partition
3) Install FreeBSD

OTOH: I don't see this as causing sysinstall's partition editor
to be bad/worthless. How many other installers allow partition
resizing (I don't know) Just add this feature (I'm not saying
it would be easy, I'm saying that it doesn't require scrapping
the existing system to add it, and lack of it does not
invalidiate the quality/usefulness of what currently exists.)

> > I disagree. I use sysinstall constantly. There's no easier
> > way to install packages.
> 
> ???
> 
> You suggested that people keep up to date using "cvsup";

Don't remember saying that, but I probably did ;)

> but doing that won't result in new categories showing up
> in "sysinstall", nor in your local packages archive being
> updated to match your "cvsup" sources.

You missed my point. I'm not defending sysintall in the
previous paragraph. I'm defending an overall system maintenance
utility that can be used for general stuff like changing
network config, adding users, adding/removing software, etc.
sysinstall does this now (whether badly or not).
My point is only this: Do NOT assume that sysinstall is ONLY
used during initial installation. It currently has the ability
to help out long after the system is installed. Any utility
that replaces it should be able to do the same.

-Bill

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