Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:42:55 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> To: dennis@etinc.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: if_fxp - the real point Message-ID: <20010308134255L.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010308120015.01ee2eb0@mail.etinc.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010308120015.01ee2eb0@mail.etinc.com>
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From: Dennis <dennis@etinc.com> Subject: if_fxp - the real point Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:15:09 -0500 > I dont have time for weenie flame wars with people who are more interested > in ignoring problems than fixing them. Well, there are different kinds of weenie flame wars. Some come from people who are more interested in ignoring problems than fixing them. Others come from people who are more interested in flaming about problems than fixing them. Both are equally destructive and fail to address the real problem, which is fixing them. This being a volunteer-driven project, each and every one of us here is free to roll up their sleeves and fix a problem rather than simply firing off emails in all directions taking people to task for failing to do what we should be doing ourselves. Arguments about lack of time or energy also cut both ways - you can't argue that someone else should find extra time to address an issue near and dear to your heart out of one side of your mouth and then say that you yourself have no time out of the other side. > The point here seems very simple. The intel NICs are on a large number of > MBs and the eepro100 is the most popular card on the market. So why is > there vitually no maintainer for arguably the most important driver in the > freebsd tree when there are maintainers for scads of obscure, must less > used cards? freebsd touts a "core team" which provides "direction"...does > the "direction" include letting important drivers fall out of maintenance > in favor of some crappy netgear card that chokes at 3,000pps? You seem to be rather seriously deluded about the whole open source process and I find that surprising given the length of time you've been buzzing around here. Core doesn't and cannot "demand" that some maintainer come forward or insist that something be actively maintained when there's nobody interested in doing so. Perhaps if you wanted to endow a "NIC maintainer's chair" at FreeBSD University here, we could hire someone to do it, but otherwise we're just as subject to the whims of volunteerism as you are, Dennis. Why don't you volunteer to do it? If you argue that you don't have the time or interest, then you've pretty much answered all your own questions and this entire thread is particularly pointless. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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