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Date:      Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:13:20 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        unknown@riverstyx.net, Gregory Sutter <gsutter@pobox.com>
Cc:        Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, de-bsd-chat@DE.FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 3.1 SMP outperforms SuSE 6.0 SMP by factor 2.3 !!!
Message-ID:  <19990315171320.Y429@lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9903141857450.18595-100000@hades.riverstyx.net>; from unknown@riverstyx.net on Sun, Mar 14, 1999 at 07:05:42PM -0800
References:  <19990314184616.G20826@orcrist.mediacity.com> <Pine.LNX.4.04.9903141857450.18595-100000@hades.riverstyx.net>

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On Sunday, 14 March 1999 at 19:05:42 -0800, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Gregory Sutter wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 12:15:21AM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote:
>>> See the links in my signature ...
>>>
>>> Enjoy it ... Linux brings 0% performance gain in the "stable" system
>>> SMP arena ......
>>>
>>> See  :  http://www.freebsd.org/~andreas/benches/index.html
>>>         http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html
>>
>> Well, if you wanted this to be really public, you picked the right way
>> to go about it.  Just wait until someone drops this onto the linux
>> lists.  I wonder what the signal:flame ratio will be.  Bets, anyone, on
>> time to slashdot, as well as the ratio?
>
> I don't have a problem with FreeBSD doing any better than Linux in SMP.
> I'm going to use whatever OS gives me the best performance, and I'll
> switch to FreeBSD for the majority of my servers in a second if it'll help
> me.  I'm fairly competent with both OS, even if I do have more experience
> with Linux.  I do however object to the testing methods here -- For one
> thing, it doesn't look like the Linux kernel was actually recompiled in
> SMP mode, 'coz I can build bash in that time in single processor mode :) I
> definitely see massive improvements when I use a dual+ processor system
> under Linux.  SuSE, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't ship SMP kernels
> in the default distribution.  And of course, SuSE' STABLE kernel doesn't
> mean much, since the distributions aren't tied to the kernel tree like
> FreeBSD is.  The 2.2.x series kernels are available, with upgrade
> instructions on http://www.linuxhq.com if anyone feels like rerunning
> those tests.

I tend to agree.  I could accept the statement "Linux SMP gives less
performance than FreeBSD SMP".  I can't accept the statement "Linux
SMP gives no performance improvement".  The first thing that came into
my mind was "he must have made a mistake".  Other possibilities are
that make -j doesn't work right on Linux, or that Linux SMP doesn't
even the load as well as FreeBSD does (for example, some MP systems
put all children in the same CPU).

Greg
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