Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 08:36:28 -0500 From: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I know if my 13-stable has security patches? Message-ID: <001a5401-c334-5937-4ce3-315ff89e34be@denninger.net> In-Reply-To: <3308997.ajJYar8FF2@ravel> References: <CAN6yY1tTt%2BEn6hzMYrjm2fRkUPBAuN9t8%2BR27Z3To_sJRbfUVA@mail.gmail.com> <1748076.jFELhIj8lM@ravel> <CAN6yY1sehRjej7vf3B_TPsg%2BecpDLG=naQ2oiMZ=DATs3PUGzQ@mail.gmail.com> <3308997.ajJYar8FF2@ravel>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070507000500020305010308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/25/2021 04:30, Olivier Certner wrote: >> Neither command is what I'd call 'intuitive', so it would have taken m= e a >> long time to find either of them. I cut and pasted the 'git branch' co= mmand >> and it took me a moment to realize what that meant. Never ran "grep -l= " on >> a pipe, I guess. > You made me laugh! Apart from relatively simple commands, git's interfa= ce is > far from intuitive. That's the reason why I regret that it became the h= ugely > dominant DVCS. Regression doesn't have to come to a project, but if the tools you=20 choose do things like this then you have to work around them as a=20 project to avoid the issue, and that might wind up being somewhat of a PI= TA. This specific issue is IMHO quite severe in terms of operational=20 impact.=C2=A0 I track -STABLE but don't load "new things" all the time.=C2= =A0 For=20 security-related things it's more important to know if I've got=20 something out there in a specific instance where it may apply (and not=20 care in others where it doesn't; aka the recent Xen thing if you're not=20 using Xen.)=C2=A0 Otherwise if everything is running as it should do I wi= sh=20 to risk introducing bugs along with improvements?=C2=A0 If not in a=20 security-related context, frequently not. Well, this used to be easy.=C2=A0 Is your "uname" r-number HIGHER than th= e=20 "when fixed" revision?=C2=A0 You're good.=C2=A0 Now, nope.=C2=A0 Now I ha= ve to go dig=20 source to know because there is no longer a "revision number" that=20 monotonically increments with each commit so there is no longer a way to = have a "point in time" view of the source, as-committed, for a given=20 checked-out version. IMHO that's a fairly serious regression for the person responsible for=20 keeping security-related things up to date and something the project=20 should find a way to fix before rolling the next -RELEASE. (Yeah, I know = that's almost-certain to not happen but it's not like this issue wasn't=20 known since moving things over to git.) --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net <mailto:karl@denninger.net> /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ms070507000500020305010308 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC DdgwggagMIIEiKADAgECAhMA5EiKghDOXrvfxYxjITXYDdhIMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGL MQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECAwHRmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBwwJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkw FwYDVQQKDBBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDMRgwFgYDVQQLDA9DdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgQ0ExITAf BgNVBAMMGEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgMjAxNyBDQTAeFw0xNzA4MTcxNjQyMTdaFw0yNzA4 MTUxNjQyMTdaMHsxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRAwDgYDVQQIDAdGbG9yaWRhMRkwFwYDVQQKDBBD 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