Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE <kayve@sfsu.edu> To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker 101 Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0801271140530.14070@libra.sfsu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080127133341.0f5e3f5f@bhuda.mired.org> References: <84a208a0801232306k6a34134aqd549a1ba2160fe41@mail.gmail.com> <4798479B.9030406@delphij.net> <Pine.SOC.4.64.0801241524130.25709@libra.sfsu.edu> <20080124185522.23ca743f@bhuda.mired.org> <864pd15163.fsf@ds4.des.no> <Pine.SOC.4.64.0801251142300.28096@libra.sfsu.edu> <86hch0pqhl.fsf@ds4.des.no> <Pine.SOC.4.64.0801261222580.7597@libra.sfsu.edu> <20080126183449.5086079e@bhuda.mired.org> <Pine.SOC.4.64.0801261553000.13548@libra.sfsu.edu> <20080127133341.0f5e3f5f@bhuda.mired.org>
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008, Mike Meyer wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:55:53 -0800 (PST) KAYVEN RIESE <kayve@sfsu.edu> wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Mike Meyer wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:24:36 -0800 (PST) KAYVEN RIESE <kayve@sfsu.edu> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
>>>>> KAYVEN RIESE <kayve@sfsu.edu> writes:
>>> thing, it's a fact of line in a multi-platform Unix environment.
>> my reason for bringing the whole thing up was based on the idea
>> that this person might be used to using *.rpm all the time
>
> Well, maybe. But consider the context: they're looking at moving from
> GNU/Linux to FreeBSD, so they're probably familiar with more than one
> GNU/Linux distro, so there's a good chance they'ev seen more than just
> rpms for system software distribution. Further, they're looking at
> noticed that the binaries for other platforms weren't in rpms. Since
> they're programmers, they've probably downloaded source distributions,
> which are almost invariable tarballs of some sort or another.
>
> In other words, the chances that they've only seen rpm file
> distributions would seem to be vanishingly small, so there are things
> that are far more likely to disrupt them - like the difference in
i feel like i have noticed some sites that only have rpms. this is
more like the type of serious concern that i was concocting in my
own tiny mind. however, if you simply note that its part of the
linux compatibility packages, then my concern is absolutely
unfounded and i will shut up {:}
>
> If you feel you have to mention it, then you should really talk about
> the tools, not the formats: GNU/Linux distros tend to use rpm* or apt*
> tools for installing and managing software packages, whereas FreeBSD
> uses the pkg* tools.
>
>> and this
>> would be a difference he would experience moving to
> freeBSD, if
>> this was the case. if this is not the case for him, as you seem
>> to be implying, then.. well.. still.. he must know to avoid
>> *.rpm distributions in any case unless he installs a *.rpm compatibility
>> tool. is that part of the linux-compat stuff that freeBSD has?
>
> Just out of curiosity, where do you expect to find software for
> FreeBSD in an rpm format? I don't think they exist, so *avoiding* them
> wont' be a problem. Possibly wasting time looking for them might be,
> but again, that seems really unlikely given the context, so there are
> more important things to suggest they not waste time on, like
> wandering how they upgrade just part of the base system.
>
> <mike
> --
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