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Date:      Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:50:08 -0700 (MST)
From:      Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
To:        nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams)
Cc:        terry@lambert.org, nate@sri.MT.net, nate@sneezy.sri.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: GAS question
Message-ID:  <199603192250.PAA24984@phaeton.artisoft.com>
In-Reply-To: <199603192229.PAA05271@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Mar 19, 96 03:29:35 pm

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> Irrelevant.  You are arguing that FreeBSD has no decent IDE, and the
> arguement is that we do have a decent one.  And it's free.

XEmacs itself is simply insufficient.

How do I redock button-bars?

Where is the button for "books online"?

Where are the buttons for "New Menu", "New Dialog", "New Cursor",
"New Icon", "New Bitmap", "New Toolbar", "New Accelerator", "New
String Table", "New Version", or "Component Gallery"?

Where is the "App Wizard" (context sensitive help) class I can
"attach" to my application?  Clipboards?  Dialog bars?  Document
Registration? (let alone a desktop manager to register *with*...)
Idle time processing handler hook?  MAPI (or I guess, for UNIX,
MIME/SMTP) library?  OLE (I guess REXX?)?  Custom combo-box
controls?  Color Pallette?  Secure password dialogs?  Popup menu
control classes?  Progress dialogs, property sheets (and, again,
a desktop manager to register *with*...)  "Splash Screen" for
putting up copyright and version information?  Split Bars?
Status Bars?  System information API for inclusion in "about"
dialogs?  "Tip of the day" provider interface for each time
the application is run?  "Tooltip" support? (where if you leave
your cursor on a component for a second with no action, it decribes
the component)  Multimedia APIs?  Sockets class interface?

I haven't even mentioned OLE-specific control classes...


Being able to compile and trace errors is a *tiny* part of an IDE...


> > You are confusing the replacement LINK386.EXE that shipped on the
> > DDK CDROM. VC++ is now at 4.0, which includes the VXD-capable linker.
> 
> No, the *compiler* is separate from VC++.   Seriously.

No, the assembler and linker were seperate until MASM 6.1 and VC++ 4.0,
seriously.

I just went and looked at my SDK and DDK CDROMs... and there is no
compiler on the things.  Just the MASM (assembler itself, only) and
LINK386.EXE and LINK386.ERR files needed because of the COFF/ELF
changeover (I've been doing Win95 developement for more than a
year now, including working on code for FSD's, TSD's, miniport
drivers, and network redirectors).


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.



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