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Date:      Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:24:32 +0300
From:      Ruslan Ermilov <ru@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        fj@batmule.dk, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: misc/30255: [PATCH] Packets reinjected by natd but denied by ipfw generates annoying errors
Message-ID:  <20010925212432.F57333@sunbay.com>
In-Reply-To: <32094.1001439610@critter>; from phk@critter.freebsd.dk on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:40:10PM %2B0200
References:  <20010925202933.A57333@sunbay.com> <32094.1001439610@critter>

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I'm still waiting for a real-world example of where it would
be useful at the minimum, and unavoidable at the maximum.  :-)

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:40:10PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <20010925202933.A57333@sunbay.com>, Ruslan Ermilov writes:
> >On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:14:48PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> >> 
> >> >State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
> >> >State-Changed-By: ru
> >> >State-Changed-When: Tue Sep 25 07:24:17 PDT 2001
> >> >State-Changed-Why: 
> >> 
> >> >With my MAINTAINER hat on, I don't like this option.
> >> >
> >> >This error usually indicates a misconfigured firewall.
> >> >It is almost always possible to write firewall rules
> >> >that do not result in EACCES from firewall.
> >> 
> >> I think you're being too harsh here Ruslan.  While it may theoretically
> >> be possible to write such rules, I have myself often found it simpler
> >> and faster to reject on the "backside" of natd.
> >> 
> >Just give me one real example where it's really useful, and I'll probably
> >agree.
> >
> >> Considering what is proposed is an option I think it should be committed.
> >> 
> >OK, how about this instead?
> >
> >I can change the code so that it logs various warnings at
> >different syslog(3) levels.  Then what gets logged may be
> >controlled via syslog.conf(5).
> 
> I think that is always a good idea, but this particular switch
> makes more sense as a direct option I think...
> 
> 
> -- 
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