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Date:      Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:40:42 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Deepak Jain <deepak@ai.net>
Cc:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, D J Hawkey Jr <hawkeyd@visi.com>, Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Kernel-loadable Root Kits
Message-ID:  <20010908174042.A88337@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <GPEOJKGHAMKFIOMAGMDIIEIPFHAA.deepak@ai.net>; from deepak@ai.net on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 08:41:53PM -0400
References:  <20010908153700.B72780@xor.obsecurity.org> <GPEOJKGHAMKFIOMAGMDIIEIPFHAA.deepak@ai.net>

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On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 08:41:53PM -0400, Deepak Jain wrote:
>=20
> Presumably, a user in userland has root to be loading a kernel module in =
the
> first place.
>=20
> This user could easily edit the rc.conf file to boot up in securelevel=3D=
-1
> and reboot the machine -- as well as circumvent most notifications about =
the
> reboot.
>=20
> Hell, if I wanted to compromise a box, screwing the kernel directly is the
> way to go. Especially for remotely administered boxes, there is almost no
> downside.

Yes, you're now getting into the reasons why securelevel isn't a very
robust security feature, which has been well-covered on this list in
the past.

Kris

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