Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:57:55 -0600 From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net> To: "David Murphy" <drjolt+freebsd-stable@redbrick.dcu.ie>, <freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) Message-ID: <00ad01bf9356$9a7ee060$dd29680a@tgt.com> References: <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> <v04220803b4fcf1e15773@[195.238.1.121]> <20000321121048.E49550@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <v04220815b4fd1c95611c@[195.238.1.121]> <20000321141055.E5367@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <v04220821b4fd4f825554@[195.238.1.121]> <20000321163707.L5367@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>
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This is an old debate. However, if the user is not smart enough to know that a "not" release is new and should be tested, well, that speaks volumes itself doesn't it? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: David Murphy <drjolt+freebsd-stable@redbrick.dcu.ie> To: Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> Cc: <stable@FreeBSD.ORG> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) > Quoting <v04220821b4fd4f825554@[195.238.1.121]> > by Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>: > > > We just got our official shrink-wrapped versions of Solaris 8 from > > Sun. Do you think we're actually going to be stupid enough to try > > to put this into production any time within the next few months? > > > It's an x.0 release from Sun, and we're going to treat it just like > > we do with x.0 releases from *any* vendor. We may play with it on > > our desktops, we may do some prototyping with it, etc.... > > Right, and if you try to upgrade your Solaris 7 desktop, which, while > not a production server, is a machine you personally need to do your > job, to Solaris 8, and it fails, and you call Sun about it, and they > tell you "Hey, what do you think you're doing? That's not ready for > real use yet!". You wouldn't be too impressed, would you? That's > basically the scenario I'm seeing with FreeBSD. > > > Thing is, it's *not* a beta anymore. It's more like a gamma > > version. > > Call it -GAMMA then. Bascially, I'm saying I think it should be called > something other than -RELEASE until the average user can install it, > and upgrade to it from the prior version. > > > The *only* way to proceed from here is to actually release the > > thing, let people start trying to use it, and then report bugs back. > > But we wouldn't be acting in good faith if we didn't at least warn > > people that it's not quite ready for use on production servers. > > IMHO the place for that warning is the release announcement and the > release notes, and it wasn't in either last I looked. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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