Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:21:16 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Cc: terry@lambert.org, nate@sri.MT.net, nate@sneezy.sri.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GAS question Message-ID: <199603192321.QAA25193@phaeton.artisoft.com> In-Reply-To: <199603192302.QAA05472@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Mar 19, 96 04:02:13 pm
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> > Where are the buttons for "New Menu", "New Dialog", "New Cursor", > > "New Icon", "New Bitmap", "New Toolbar", "New Accelerator", "New > > String Table", "New Version", or "Component Gallery"? > > Those *aren't* part of the IDE. They are part of a graphical > application development tool, but not an IDE. Turbo Pascal was the > original IDE on the PC, and it had none of the things you mentioned. The IDE *IS* the graphical application developement tool. You can argue "Turbo Pascal" until you are blue in the face, but the fact is that we are competing with VC++ and Borland Professional C++ for the hearts and minds of developers. If we compete at the "Turbo Pascal" level, then we've already lost, since it makes us horribly and irrevocably antiquated. > > Being able to compile and trace errors is a *tiny* part of an IDE... > > Being able to grab stuff off the button-bar is *NOT* part of an IDE. This is silly. I can do it in my "Microsoft Developer's Studio", I *should* be able to do it in my "FreeBSD DEveloper's Studio". If you want to call this something other than an IDE, that's your perogative (won't make you right, though). > Arguing with you is useless because when people refute the points you > make, you change the topic or the rules. If I continue, somehow this > will all boil down to an arguement for VM86() mode, and I don't want to > even hear that again. :) You could argue that running VC++ with a working WILLOWS or WIND/U would be sufficient... but neither of those require a VM86() mode. I think that the fact that the environment isn't protected mode and so developement is fundamentally more difficult is what has driven the DOS tools. The point is, that for the specific case of the IDE, the tools are simply unavailable under UNIX, or at least 10 times as costly (if we get off the Emacs-based "IDE" as unqualified to lick Microsoft's IDE's feet). I've *given* UNIX examples: IDEA, BattelMap, etc.. That should be next target for GNU. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.
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