Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 05:00:48 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@FreeBSD.org> To: "Gary W. Swearingen" <swear@attbi.com> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: quotation marks in HTML output Message-ID: <20030328030048.GA17830@gothmog.gr> In-Reply-To: <9ohe9oo5is.e9o@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030326050104.GA1514@c-303a70d5.bredbandsbolaget.se> <20030326185416.GH18515@gothmog.gr> <9ohe9oo5is.e9o@localhost.localdomain>
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On 2003-03-27 13:37, "Gary W. Swearingen" <swear@attbi.com> wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@FreeBSD.org> writes: > > For these reasons, I'd probably support switching to double quotes > > like "...." for HTML output. But only for HTML output. > > Unless the FDP is trying to support some REALLY old browsers, HTML > should use the "“" and "”" (Unicode) entities for left and > right double quotation marks (with "‘" and "’" for the single > versions). The FDP should not support such old browsers. I'm fairly > sure that all Netscape and M$ browsers less than 5 years old support > these four Unicode entities. Gary, this sounds like a great idea :-) I've replaced literal `` and '' in doc/share/sgml with these entities and just finished a full rebuild of doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/. : Index: freebsd.dsl : =================================================================== : RCS file: /home/giorgos/cvsroot/giorgos/fx/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v : retrieving revision 1.1.1.2 : diff -u -r1.1.1.2 freebsd.dsl : --- freebsd.dsl 16 Feb 2003 22:12:04 -0000 1.1.1.2 : +++ freebsd.dsl 28 Mar 2003 02:42:25 -0000 : @@ -722,9 +722,9 @@ : : (element errorname : (make sequence : - <![ %output.html; [ (literal "``") ]]> : + <![ %output.html; [ (literal "“") ]]> : ($mono-seq$ (process-children)) : - <![ %output.html; [ (literal "''") ]]> : + <![ %output.html; [ (literal "'”") ]]> : )) : : <!-- John Fieber's 'instant' translation specification had : Index: freebsd.dtd : =================================================================== : RCS file: /home/giorgos/cvsroot/giorgos/fx/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd,v : retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 : diff -u -r1.1.1.1 freebsd.dtd : --- freebsd.dtd 26 Nov 2002 22:05:49 -0000 1.1.1.1 : +++ freebsd.dtd 28 Mar 2003 02:39:24 -0000 : @@ -57,10 +57,10 @@ : : <![ %output.html; [ : <!ENTITY bdquo ",,"> : -<!ENTITY ldquo "``"> : -<!ENTITY rdquo "''"> : -<!ENTITY lsquo "`"> : -<!ENTITY rsquo "'"> : +<!ENTITY ldquo "“"> : +<!ENTITY rdquo "”"> : +<!ENTITY lsquo "‘"> : +<!ENTITY rsquo "’"> : <!ENTITY mdash "--"> : <!ENTITY ndash "-"> : <!ENTITY hellip "..."> > As for text format files, I've never liked ``this'', even in the good > old days when the glyphs were often symmetrical; today it's usually > uglier, even on most Unix/X11 systems. "This" looks better, even when > the quotes are both right-leaning curly ones, which they seldom were > in the good old days and which they almost never are today. Testing with links and w3m shows that they both parse the $# entities fr double quotes correctly, and use the "..." style for double quotes. I'll run some more tests tomorrow, and then mail doceng@ to see what their view is. There seems to be a problem with the single quote entities and links (w3m works fine with single quote versions too). In the meantime, anyone who wants to test the diff above and report to me with private mail or to the list, is most welcome. - Giorgoshelp
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