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Date:      03 Mar 2000 08:48:34 -0700
From:      Jamie Gritton <gritton@iserver.com>
To:        stable@freebsd.org
Cc:        jeff-ml@mountin.net
Subject:   Re: recent vinum changes
Message-ID:  <x79000rr59.fsf@guppy.orem.iserver.com>
In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin"'s message of "Fri, 03 Mar 2000 07:27:32 -0600"
References:  <Khetan Gajjar's message of "Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:03:00 %2B0200 (SAST)"> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003022201340.39426-100000@bofh.ops.uunet.co.za> <3.0.3.32.20000303072732.00989b20@207.227.119.2>

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"Jeffrey J. Mountin" <jeff-ml@mountin.net> writes:

>> Generally, a "vinum start" on the previously dead plex...
> What was the previous state of the dead plex and it's subdisks?

   The plex is faulty and the subdisk is stale.

> I've had subdisks go "stale" or even "faulty" by themsleves or by design
> (ala testing), but the plex is only "down" (if that's what you mean by
> "dead").

   These are generally bona fide hardware errors, i.e. a disk that won't
spin up.

> From your first message the loss of data on the "up" plex when reviving
> isn't reassuring, but I've blown up plexes various ways and recovered most
> every time.  Note the "most" covers the more exotic and crazy ideas.

   The chance of recovery seems to decrease with usage of the system.  An
idle but non-single-user system weill usually make it through the recover
OK, but then panic on some variety of filesystem errors, and be repairable
with "only" a few dozen lost+found files.
   Generally, things are so bad, fsck can't find a superblock on the "good"
half of the mirror.

- Jamie


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