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Date:      Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:53:39 +0100
From:      Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@bellavista.cz>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Sendmail / Fetchmail / Procmail / Mozilla
Message-ID:  <20021202165338.GD56031@freepuppy.bellavista.cz>
In-Reply-To: <20021202163848.GE467@sub21-156.member.dsl-only.net>
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# nkinkade@dsl-only.net / 2002-12-02 08:38:48 -0800:
> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:35:40AM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> > # nkinkade@dsl-only.net / 2002-12-01 12:03:18 -0800:
> > > On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 07:45:37PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > > If I want to use fetchmail to snag email from say 4 different
> > > > > pop acounts and then filter it with procmail and use mozilla
> > > > > to read it (which I've read is trivial to do), what parts of
> > > > > sendmail (or any mta) must I have running minimally on
> > > > > localhost.
> > > > 
> > > >     none. you don't need sendmail to accept mail through
> > > >     fetchmail (just have it store messages directly in your
> > > >     mailbox instead of pulling them through sendmail; you get an
> > > >     added bonus of preventing mail loops in case you manage to
> > > >     misconfigure either part), and you don't need sendmail to
> > > >     send mail from mozilla, as it has its own implementation of
> > > >     a smtp client, just like any other clickoid mail client
> > > >     (IOW, it bypasses the standard, which is passing the message
> > > >     to sendmail on the command line.)
> > > > 
> > > >     note however, that disabling sendmail completely will
> > > >     cripple your system in that you will no longer receive the
> > > >     valuable output from periodic(8) scripts, and possibly in
> > > >     other areas.
> > > <big snip>
> > > 
> > > Why would disabling sendmail cripple all of the periodic scripts?
> > > Other than those scripts that relate specifically to an MTA, which
> > > others would be affected?
> > 
> >     where in the text you quoted did I say that disabling sendmail
> >     would cripple periodic(8) scripts? I said it would cripple the
> >     system in that root would no longer receive the output of the
> >     periodic scripts.
> > 
> > > Also, if you have another MTA just edit /etc/mail/mailer.conf to
> > > point to your new MTA, as the various invocations of sendmail are
> > > just wrappers that use the mailer.conf file to determine exactly
> > > what they should be executing.  I recently left sendmail in favour
> > > of Exim.  A few tweaks to mailer.conf and one or two minor changes
> > > to a few of the periodic scripts and everything is in order.
> > 
> >     I was speaking about sendmail, not Sendmail. This part of the
> >     message was specifically about having system with no *s*endmail.
> >     The latter half was about disabling {S,s}endmail. I run Postfix
> >     on all my machines, so I guess I'm quite aware *S*endmail is not
> >     exactly required.
> 
> OK.  I apologize if I mis-interpreted your post.  It wasn't clear to
> me that your were making a distinction between "Sendmail" and
> "sendmail", as you don't point out such a distinction.

    right, sorry.

> Still, how does one totally disable "sendmail" without deleting the
> wrapper named `sendmail`?  My rc.conf file has
> 'sendmail_enable="NONE"', yet I still receive the output from the
> periodic scripts via Exim.

    mail/exim/Makefile installs an rc script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/

> I am not trying to question your mastery of FreeBSD.

    ROFL, I'm a newbie. :)

> I am simply trying to clarify this matter so that if I am in error I
> may correct myself.

    I didn't want to sound hostile or anything, sorry if I managed to.

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