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Date:      Mon, 22 Feb 2016 22:26:02 +1100
From:      Aristedes Maniatis <ari@ish.com.au>
To:        Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>
Cc:        freebsd-jail <freebsd-jail@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Jail management
Message-ID:  <0eaf61d4-43e6-265a-f773-820244fc8931@ish.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <56CAE974.4050508@quip.cz>
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On 22/02/2016 9:56pm, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
> I don't know your environment and your FreeBSD jails skills but it seems you think jails are something complex and "magic". It is not.
...
> Just don't be afraid of writing simple shell scripts :)


You are right, and perhaps I should just bite the bullet. I am afraid of only two things.

* upgrade the basejail with FreeBSD upgrades. I am sure this is a simple bit of chroot magic, but freebsd-update is a bit of a black box to me.

* nullfs. I've never used it before and need to play with it more

As for shell scripts: my only goal in life is to write *fewer* shell scripts. My adoption of saltstack was spurred by shell everywhere, mostly not under version control. So less shell and more python centrally managed and versioned is my dream.



> For your problem with installing old versions of packages - I think you are still able to install whatever version you need if you have it locally on disk. Then you can use "pkg install my-package-1.2.3.txz"
> (you need all dependencies as well)

I think 'pkg add' is needed there, but dependencies are very complicated to make work in this way. And I need a new package distribution model not based on the standard repo that poudriere makes. Which is why I started this whole exploration.


Thanks for your ideas. I should be less afraid of letting go of the jail management tools.

Ari




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