Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:18:45 -0800 From: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> To: Anthony Atkielski <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why dual boot? Message-ID: <3C539BC5.C1543E5D@mindspring.com> References: <3C4FBE5C.2AE8C65@mindspring.com> <20020123114658.A514@lpt.ens.fr> <20020123223104.SM01952@there> <3C4FBE5C.2AE8C65@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020124213809.00e6e5d0@localhost> <20020125131659.GB7374@hades.hell.gr> <3C51CD33.4E69B204@mindspring.com> <001b01c1a635$636a4170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C5270E4.BF21F79B@mindspring.com> <011b01c1a659$fb98a670$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C52AB34.B8896C8D@mindspring.com> <018c01c1a675$f3dcc1c0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C534259.A20067B2@mindspring.com> <02ba01c1a6ec$62983740$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Terry writes: > > You mean anecdotally. Empirically would mean > > you had some conclusive evidence you could share. > > No. "Empirically" means "based on experience"--mine, in this case. Oh, you mean anecdotally, as in based on or consisting of reports or observations of usually unscientific observers. Unless you have some empirical evidence you wish to present? As in capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment? > > Can you back this statement up? > > See above. Guess that's "no". > > Have you ever heard the words "metastable" > > or "fractal"? > > Yes, but they don't apply in this context. I guess you don't know how an extended partition in a DOS primary partition, or a disklabel in a DOS primary partition are self-similar to the DOS partition table itself? > > I said it was an emergent property; this doesn't > > mean that "a seemingly simple system is in fact > > complex"; it means that complexity will appear, > > eventually if not immediately. > > Either way, it has nothing to do with my statement that > greater complexity tends to correlate with greater instability. Great! We agree! Particularly since it is I who is pointing out that abstraction of the complexity you are caliming without evidence as the root cause of stability problems is a possible way of dealing with that complexity, and providing a representational geometry which is non-complex for users wishing to manipulate it. > > You don't act as if it makes no difference to you. > > You act as if you are heavily invested in the > > status quo. > > I simply present an alternate viewpoint for those considering the matter. An alternate viewpoint derived from an investment in the status quo? > > ... I'm not prepared to grant that the > > systems installed from CDROM are "production > > systems" ... > > I've no doubt that many FreeBSD production systems, including mine, are > installed from a CD-ROM, whether you are prepared to grant this or not. Just because all trout are fish does not mean that all fish are trout. Your claimed ability to install a production system using the CDROM installer says noting about where the majority of FreeBSD production system come from. I can personally vouch for over 20,000 of them that came from disk duplication, rather than CDROM installs. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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