Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 19:55:05 +0200 From: Jan Beich <jbeich@FreeBSD.org> To: Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> Cc: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>, ports-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-branches@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 77f72c463b90 - 2024Q1 - x11-servers/xwayland-devel: backport recent secfixes Message-ID: <4jch-t3ly-wny@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20240404174208.2eaefae74933715eeb31ccbc@bidouilliste.com> (Emmanuel Vadot's message of "Thu, 4 Apr 2024 17:42:08 %2B0200") References: <202404040955.4349tDrM089062@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <20240404125743.1e52876a69053b726cb456e4@bidouilliste.com> <8r1t-ny0j-wny@FreeBSD.org> <20240404141239.35d54535539b66cd6336ee5b@bidouilliste.com> <7chd-l2ru-wny@FreeBSD.org> <20240404151554.04340786db8562e522f7b1a8@bidouilliste.com> <wmpd-fdbs-wny@FreeBSD.org> <maxqdchpp474o6bkttfxymtjietktnj6lbxmlyjj7t3g5s4xpw@ptskxgzlvpip> <8r1t-chhu-wny@FreeBSD.org> <20240404174208.2eaefae74933715eeb31ccbc@bidouilliste.com>
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Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> writes:
> On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 16:47:09 +0200
> Jan Beich <jbeich@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>
>> Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu 04 Apr 15:48, Jan Beich wrote:
>> >
>> >> Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> >> but also introduced a number of regressions that
>> >> >> don't exist in my port, all of which were documented in my reviews.
>> >> >
>> >> > What regressions ? I'm using xwayland for more than a year on my
>> >> > desktop instead of -devel and haven't seen a problem.
>> >>
>> >> Try diff xwayland{,-devel}/Makefile:
>> >> - Missing XSECURITY (ssh -X vs. ssh -Y; xorg-server parity per bug 221984)
>> >> - Missing XDMCP (xorg-server parity, maybe used with rootful Xwayland and GUI login managers)
>> >> - Missing XTEST input emulation (XDG Portal API, required by GNOME, Plasma and maybe rootful Xwayland)
>> >> - Missing CSD for rootful (mainly for GNOME, optional even if preferred elsewhere)
>
> All those options could be added. The main reason that they are not is
> that x11-server/xwayland isn't used by anyone but me as it requires
> patching ports to use it. So obviously if they aren't needed for my
> case no one will stand up and ask for them to be enabled.
> Another way to view this is that you enabled all those options without
> consulting anyone, why would you you might ask, it's your port ? Well
> yes but since this port is forced to be used by everyone enabling
> option and dependencies should be a concensus between multiple users.
> For some, (like XSECURITY) you've explained in the commit message so
> that's good at least. Other like CSD was enabled without anything in
> the commit message except that this was an update, this is not good.
- XDMCP was enabled (auto-detection) in xwayland up until 5f87249229d3
- xwayland-devel was created before 5f87249229d3 thus used xwayland and
xorg-server from back then as the reference for feature defaults
- CSD and EI are enabled due upstream default (auto-detection) and
as part of "batteries included" policy for binary packages
>> >> - Broken on DragonFly due to forcing -Dsha1 (already default after I've fixed upstream bug years ago)
>
> I don't care about Dragonfly, they are grown ups and can manage their
> own ports.
Sure but the option is redundant on FreeBSD. libmd is already preferred
and auto-detected over OpenSSL, nettle or gcrypt.
> Lol, very bold of you to say this as all your ports forced on others
> follow your views.
Sure but the proposal is no different. Under the guise of changing to a
stable version of dependency you also want to change maintainership into
one that benefits you. For example, all these x11@ updates you land
haven't been submitted through Bugzilla for peer review.
> I think that you should fork the ports tree to JanPorts, do your stuff
> there and for the FreeBSD ports tree please start engaging discussion
> with the community, you are not alone.
Bug 244016 is an example discussion. Looks civil? Now look at bug 276614.
Many years have passed but I see x11@ culture of brandishing authority
hasn't disappeared.
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