Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:53:10 -0600 From: Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1018313590.33f159@mired.org> To: "Randall Hamilton" <nitedog@silly.pikachu.org> Cc: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix Message-ID: <15531.41974.162478.960468@guru.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <009b01c1db6f$fca61480$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> References: <20020402113404.A52321@lpt.ens.fr> <3CA9854E.A4D86CC4@mindspring.com> <20020402123254.H49279@lpt.ens.fr> <009301c1da83$9fa73170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15530.6987.977637.574551@guru.mired.org> <012601c1dadb$104d5100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.2846.277278.29276@guru.mired.org> <005e01c1db44$e10d2a40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.27851.19169.720598@guru.mired.org> <001301c1db55$7c883950$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <009201c1db5e$41b1baa0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.33743.830853.456500@guru.mired.org> <000f01c1db68$0bbad580$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.37605.851236.651200@guru.mired.org> <004901c1db69$9a1cc3f0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.38785.141595.336871@guru.mired.org> <007601c1db6c$9daac550$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.40067.230080.806545@guru.mired.org> <009b01c1db6f$fca61480$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>
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In <009b01c1db6f$fca61480$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>, Randall Hamilton <nitedog@silly.pikachu.org> typed: > > > In <007601c1db6c$9daac550$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>, Randall Hamilton > <nitedog@silly.pikachu.org> typed: > > > > In <004901c1db69$9a1cc3f0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>, Randall Hamilton > > > <nitedog@silly.pikachu.org> typed: > > > > No, I'm not forgetting it, but as the man said, "there are advantages > > > > that outweigh that." All the hardware I need to work works. Sure, I > > > > may have to buy from a more limited set than you do, but the small set > > > > I use is includes everything I need, which is all that matters. > > > again...when i see an OS that can support my hardware..play my games..do > my > > > work and other multimedia needs..I will use that as a desktop. > > > and yes..desktops are generally end user machines...or as you put it > 'home > > > machines' > > No, "end user" and "home machines" are two radically different types > > of machines. I spent most of my adult life supporting end user > > machines, but playing games was never part of the story. For that > > matter, audio and video weren't, either. > did you support end user workstations? I thought that's what we were trying to determine. > see..when an end user buys a Dell..they are generally(IE most cases) buying > a desktop. > thats the reason i classified them as such. i only added 'home machines' > because you brought it up...but yes...most end user home machines i have > supported with 2 years of tech support were desktops as well. A desktop as opposed to *what*? Most of the Dell's I've encountered were sitting on someone's desk at an office, *not* in someone's home. Playing games and adding exotic hardware - by which I mean anything beyond a disk drive, cdrom drive. keyboard, monitor and mouse - was not part of the requirements for them. > wow..3 replies to cover one simply point. lemmi try again with ya > does your ps2 have tons of hardware support? does it have the ability to run > spreadsheets...office related tools..play video's in a whole slew of > different codecs..same with audio.. AND play games? last time i > checked...no. that would mean it would be a poor desktop. I can run Linux on it, so the only "no" is having "tons of hardware support". On the other hand, it supports the hardware I described above just fine. What makes a desktop require all that strange hardware? > a workstation is a machine that does the task of someone working. > generally..an account has one main goal in a company. and thats to track the > books. he may need only 2 programs to do that...or he may need 10. the point > is..that all the programs are geared around the task..and the fact that > audio..video..games...hardware are NOT factors in a great majority of > workstations. Have you ever supported people using machines in a business? I can guarantee you that 90% or more of the software on any given desktop machines in a business is generic software, and *NOT* targetted at that person's specific tasks. > from all the corperations i have been involved with/worked at..i have > nothing that general workstations are simply limited power desktops. without > the cpu requirements of video, games, and such...the machines can be fairly > low end..and still do the job for the user. but the basic point > is...workstations are machines that are built...setup and geared toward the > task that the user has. nothing more then that job(s). a desktop has far > more roles to play then a workstation...and that in itself should be clear > by now. In that case, I've never supported "workstations". Every machine I've supported was, first and foremost, a general purpose computer. It may have applications specific to the users task installed on it, but I generally didn't get involved in that, and that was a small fraction of the software on the machine. Many of them didn't need any exotic hardware, but the tasks they did - software development, for instance - wasn't something that could be done acceptably on a "low end machine". For that matter, those machines that ran dedicated software also did things that couldn't be done on "low end machines". Things like CAD and graphical network monitoring chew up cycles as if they were free. Personally, I think your definitions are badly skewed. A desktop machine is a machine that sits on someone's desk so they can use it for whatever needs they have. A workstation is either a machine that runs one application, or a desktop that had a fancy label hung on it to raise the price. A workstation *used* to be a high end desktop that used SCSI drives and similar high-grade hardware, but that's been polluted by the second definition above. <mike -- Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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