Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:44:18 -0700 From: Ed Hall <edhall@weirdnoise.com> To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interview in Byte with Chris Sontag/SCO and FUD relating toBSDsettlement agreement Message-ID: <200306192244.h5JMiIDw050273@screech.weirdnoise.com> In-Reply-To: Message from Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@freebsd.org> "of Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:33:32 %2B0930." <20030619090332.GO93137@wantadilla.lemis.com>
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"Greg 'groggy' Lehey" wrote: > On Thursday, 19 June 2003 at 1:29:37 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 18 June 2003 at 2:38:34 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > >>> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >>>> Yes, it reminded me of that thread, but wkt was actually referring to > >>>> System III, not 32V. > >>> > >>> I am also pretty certain that it was widely stated at the time > >>> that the UCB's license was the older Western Electric license, > >>> which is the same license which allowed Lyon's to publish his > >>> commentary, legally, including the kernel source code. > >> > >> I suppose you mean John Lions. > > > > Yes. I always spell his name wrong. > > > >> He got into a lot of trouble for that, and I doubt he would have > >> got away with it in the USA. > > > > Really? Can you point to the signed non-disclosure agreement > > that he violated in order to publish his commentary? The U.S. > > was not nearly as anal about this stuff until the 1980's. > > Things have got worse, yes. But certainly there was enough trouble in > the 70s. > > >>> While the university, proper, did obtain a more modern license, that > >>> license could not be retroactive to change the terms of the original > >>> license. > >> > >> Which university are you talking about? UCB or UNSW? > > > > UCB. > > But John was at UNSW. > > > You're in the area, aren't you? > > For some definition of area. UNSW is about 1400 km away. But I'll be > in the area in about 6 weeks time. > > > Why don't you ask to see the original license agreement that Lions > > was under at the time of his commentary's publication. > > I think I'll ask Greg Rose. He might have some interesting insights. > > Greg See: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/licenses.html for some links to a license from that era and some commentary on the Lions case by Dennis Ritchie. I think it clears up a few things... -Ed
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