Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:00:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Philippe Regnauld <regnauld@tetard.glou.eu.org> To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Cc: regnauld@tetard.glou.eu.org (Philippe Regnauld), hackers@freebsd.org (hackers) Subject: Re: A complaint about procedure. Message-ID: <199609122200.AAA08366@tetard.glou.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <v02140b07ae5c5d9fa154@[208.2.87.4]> from Richard Wackerbarth at "Sep 11, 96 07:32:04 am"
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Richard Wackerbarth écrit / writes: > My attempts to "verify" that -current is buildable have led me to observe > that the precise concern that I previously expressed is a reality. Possibly along your concept, yes. > There are individuals who are making fundamental changes to the structure > of the Makefiles which are not coompatible with the changes that I am > making. I cannot possibly create a working system to hand to you if I am > having to shoot at such a moving target. What about creating a working prototype for your system based, say on 2.1.5, and present it to the core team. Since this is already not an easy task, accomplishing it would buy you several things: 1) Credit in the eyes of the core team. If you get this working, you will indeed impress many people out there. 2) With 1), you will most probably get support from the core team for further development, i.e.: 2a) Hopefully committers and others will see the benefit and will make an effort to slow down the "moving target" 2b) Even better, some might offer to integrate your efforts back into -current, if it's so valuable. > That is why I feel that it is NECESSARY to have some planning rather than > the present anarchy. Why do you allow some individuals the right to do > things which become direct roadblocks to other efforts? Who is 'you', and in what way can 'he/they' allow/not allow individuals some 'right', a concept which I believe doesn't (and can't) exist in the FreeBSD project ? I think it has been said many times by different people that what you ask for implies an infrastructure which is *not* that of the FreeBSD project. People here are working: - because it's fun ; - because it's useful ; - because it's fun I.e.: if it becomes a pain in the *ss to them, as in too many constraints, etc..., then they will stop contributing or come close to it, which I think has almost happened to some core team members. Were this Microsoft, your 'team partners' would be waiting and/or cooperating in the way you expect, because the boss or some microBill *told* them to. > If we cannot create an atmosphere wherein there is coordination as to the > direction of changes, I cannot contribute in this area. I would be tempted to say : "Tough luck" You've been given MANY hints by many different people about how to do it. It may be that they are all wrong an you're right about doing it, but the fact is: 'they' have it working this way, they most probably have some idea which way to proceed. > Frankly, it still appears to me that you have a double standard and, with > respect to the FreeBSD project, intend to prevent me from accomplishing > anything of significance. Again, who is 'you' ? Jordan ? I doubt Jordan has enough time to spare to setup machiavelic schemes to shortfuse your plans. > I cannot get you to implement suggested improvements which are completely > defined and the code for them exists. Neither can I make improvements to Hrmm, what code ? > the make system because the incremental steps are of no value to those who > do not understand the bigger picture. Nor can I "demonstrate" the finished Then draw the whole picture and push the paper under the door. > product because I have to shoot at a moving target and will never be able > to catch up. That I suggested a solution to. Short of implementing job control on humans (Terry probably has some outline for this :-) and suspending them, I don't see another. > HOW CAN I contribute? By contributing ? :-) -- Phil -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / regnauld@eu.org / +55.4N +11.3E @ Sol3 / +45 31241690 ]- -[ "To kårve or nøt to kårve, that is the qvestion..." -- My sister ]-
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