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Date:      Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:47:58 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com>
To:        freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org, pechter@lakewood.com
Subject:   Re: UUCP
Message-ID:  <199710031747.NAA16721@lakes.dignus.com>

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Bill Pechter wrote:
> > In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.970926195319.253A-100000@acp.qiv.com> you wrote:
> > > Would it be possible to uncomment the HDB capabilities in UUCP for the
> > > next release? Even though UUCP died years ago, I'm converting more
> > 
> > UUCP WHAT??    How else are you supposed to do mail backups with 
> > other ISP, but with UUCP over TCP to your primary line?
> > The network I set up in university 2 years ago still works this way,
> > and mail goes in and out even if leased line and/or router died.
> > 
> > What about hundreds of customers in xUSSR with non-nailed lines (which 
> > are more expensive than dedicated ISDN in the U.S.?)  etc. 
> > 
> > As for UUCP in FreeBSD tree, well, there were some problems reported
> > before, but I beleive they were all fixed.
> > 
> 
> I still think that FreeBSD should adopt the position of supporting HDB
> V2 uucp configuration files in the system. (I have to rebuild uucp
> after all the make worlds with my own patches to do so...)
> 
> If it's a "lets not do any SysVish stuff" we should be using the 4.3BSD
> logging and directory structure with the V2 config files 8-)
> 
> Bill
> 

  Back in the "days of yore" - I made exactly the same suggestion.
As you noted; after every upgrade I rebuild UUCP to accept my HDB
setup...

   The reasons for using HDB back then were:
	1) Reasonably documented in the O'Reilly book.
	2) The "uutraf" program understood the HDB log files.
	3) I had always done so, since I suffered the pain
	   of converting to HDB..

   But, at that time; I was the only person to make the suggestion,
so it was decided to leave things alone (the Taylor configs do have
some nice options, so there is a good argument to convert.)

   Since then, there's a new release of the O'Reilly UUCP book that
covers Taylor UUCP, there's also a new version of "uutraf" that reads
Taylor log files... so reasons #1, and #2 have gone by the wayside.

   But; being comfortable, I would like to give reason #3 an unduly
amount of weight and suggest it again.

   The config file can by taylored (no pun intended) to accept
all three styles; but I would be happy with just HDB and Taylor styles...
The problem is the logging style, I believe you can only have one of those.
[I prefer the HDB logging style because of reason #3 :-) ]

	- Dave Rivers -




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