Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:35:49 +1000 From: Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> To: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com>,Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Michael Grimm <trashcan@ellael.org>,questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Docker Message-ID: <989A99FE-5DA3-4346-B886-32F8E64BA6F0@nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <CA%2B1FSihn%2BB6LTUm7gof6Nd=niL5=dMvQ46HUv=NJ2%2BNhcLS7RQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSijc%2B-OLNsyFNdR=jP3VzMi4zUE92i5iv9Pfg6AryDy_KQ@mail.gmail.com> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <CA%2B1FSihVrJ8cZ4ZU6mMr0sKJsZ98V4fh2vpDLugw7MGj-%2BEBPg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijL50mQ-HveBA4HZeNkSoaORv=aty-15nNLzn9amzY_nw@mail.gmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSigV_pPwVW%2BDd8WZYGcNQVt7%2BYOcsnJFoRhS6jL5A636pg@mail.gmail.com> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <CA%2B1FSihVPCQ6tp8u=aqnLyyOPpCMrnhYGcC8bCUgRbFHTdY5sA@mail.gmail.com> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <20230412155252.5e38ea4728bd52dc798852fc@sohara.org> <1d0a7ed1-9330-49df-9b66-9ee4387de511@app.fastmail.com> <78F4160A-2D26-4A22-9139-A9132FC42688@ellael.org> <20230417133223.3ef5e26c.freebsd@edvax.de> <CA%2B1FSihn%2BB6LTUm7gof6Nd=niL5=dMvQ46HUv=NJ2%2BNhcLS7RQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 17 April 2023 10:07:17 pm AEST, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail=2Ecom= > wrote: > Ohhh finally someone has been able to catch the reasons why docker > has been > and it is a great tool=2E If you mean Polytropon, my take is that you've missed that he's skillfully= using a tool called "damning with faint praise"=2E > I may agree that these reasons aren't heavily > based on the code's sophistication=2E Parsing failure; pass=2E > But hey,who says that this is enough to > decide if a tool is useful and capable of reaching the critical mass > of people ? Ah, "critical mass" theory=2E Meaningless unless seeking a nuclear explos= ion=2E > Docker can be used by non-skilled people,like me and many > others=2E Many FreeBSD users are clearly not looking to increase the number of non-s= killed users for the sake of a larger number to wave around=2E I suspect m= ost would prefer to raise the average IQ, but it's not a competition; we're= not selling anything, right? If you wish to see anything implemented in FreeBSD you have the choice of = doing it yourself, or paying somebody else to create, debug and maintain it= =2E Continually arguing that someone ELSE should implement YOUR vision is clea= rly going nowhere=2E Nor will claiming there is some mob of silent users w= hose views you are championing cut any ice=2E > Jails are good,technically well coded,but less known,they exude an > excessive technicality, unlike FreeBSD, which is more immediate to > use (and > this seems to be a contradiction)=2E WTF does 'exude excessive technicality' mean? That you haven't read the d= ocs? > For sure I don't want to import in the > FreeBSD ecosystem tools like there are in windows, where developers > prefer > to sacrifice too much technicality in exchange to an exaggerated ease > of > use=2E I don't want that tool to think for me=2E I use my PC to train m= y > mind > to solve problems every day,but if those problems are too > complicated,I > can't solve anything and I can't help no one to test how the > development of > a tool is going=2E Indigestible word salad=2E Burp=2E > I know that many will disagree,but each operating > system > has strengths and weaknesses because whoever creates it comes from a > certain cultural background and has fed them since its origins=2E You're talking about thousands of people over 40 years or so in BSD's case= =2E Try studying the history more deeply=2E > FreeBSD has lagged in the > adoption of several technologies that came into linux and this makes > it > intuitive to understand how to use it=2E And Linux has benefited enormously from BSD technologies from the start=2E= Sadly the viral GNU licence, especially v3, limits what the BSDs can use = from Linux=2E > If you don't want to adapt docker to > FreeBSD, at least the use of jails should be made more usable and > immediate > for users who don't have much experience=2E Once YOU become experienced in their use, YOU can help make them 'more usa= ble' for those with perhaps limited capacity to understand - but please sto= p suggesting OTHERS work on YOUR stuff=2E > On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:33=E2=80=AFPM Polytropon <freebsd@edvax=2Ede>= wrote: >=20 > > On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote: > > > Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be > distributed > > > by any capable admin, granted=2E > > > > And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people=2E > > One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things > > for you, included thinking=2E The other side is a shiny web > interface=2E > > The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a > > contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support, > > and maybe the illusion of stability=2E ;-) Amen=2E
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