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Date:      Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:13:23 -0500
From:      greeves <sysadmin@mfn.org>
To:        "security@FreeBSD.ORG" <security@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: bsd securelevels...
Message-ID:  <01BD9878.85D2BCC0@greeves.mfn.org>

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>> 1) do they noticably improve security? 2) can we replace them with
>> something better? The answer to both questions is yes.

>The answer to (1) is yes only as long as people are using
>securelevels. My feeling is that pretty much noone is using them,
>because they are viewed (rightfully, IMO) as being both too twisted
>and not secure enough to justify setting them.


More likely nobody is using them because they are not now
known, and are not being pushed.  I run a network that
*would* have been using them, had I *KNOWN* about them!

Remember, a great deal of the FBSD world is *NOT* on the
edge of the technology, and that includes the more "advanced"
users who came from different *nix environments (such as myself).

I came to FBSD out from a commercial SVR3/4 environment that
did not have anything like secure levels.  Even though I came here
*because* of heightened security awareness, the fact that I still know
only as much about securelevels as has been posted in the recent
spate of warnings on it.  Possibly someone should generate a little 
verbiage in the FAQ about this!

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin@mfn.org


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