Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" <nwestfal@directvinternet.com> To: Joshua Lee <yid@softhome.net> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <20020910092057.G62741-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20020909213532.3a804946.yid@softhome.net>
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Joshua Lee wrote:
> Evolution doesn't have anything to do with "worldly or temporal
> concerns" and their source. Telihard De Chardin and, to a lesser extent,
> Chief Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook managed to be both evolutionists and
> "Judeo-christian" theists without much of a contradiction. Of course,
> Neal Westfall claims that De Chardin, Catholic Church approvals of his
> writings to the contrary, is "not a xtian" because he doesn't match Mr.
> Westfall's version of orthodoxy.
Since you like Teilhard De Chardin so much, do you agree with the
statement of his that defenders of evolution "must never let themselves
be deflected into secondary discussions of the scientific 'hows' and the
metaphysical 'whys.'" Sounds like dogmatism to me.
> Neal Westfall claims of course that evolution is a religion.
The above quote would seem to confirm that claim. I have others.
W.T. Jones, who is certainly no Christian, noticed that scientists had
"elevated Darwinism to the level of a religious dogma." (from his "A
History of Western Philosophy") Theodosius Dobzhansky claims to be able
to explain evolution "if the assumption is made that life arose from
matter only once." ("Species after Darwin," A Century of Darwin (London:
1958), p. 22.) W.R. Thompson says in his Introduction to a current
edition of Origin of Species "Personal convictions... are presented as if
they were proofs." Paul Westmeyer declares: "Evolution is useful but it
is a myth." ("Twentieth Century Mythology," Chemistry, January, 1965, p.
17) Need I say more?
> Then he goes and claims that without xtianity one cannot properly
> reason. ;-)
Uh, no. Never said non-christians cannot reason. I said that if they
were consistent with their professed beliefs, they would not *in
principle* be able to reason at all. The fact that they *do* reason
is what makes them accountable to God.
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